Zel's Fleet Blog - BX, Jag XJ-S, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D & 230TE, AC Model 70.

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Coming on nicely, so exciting to hear you are taking it on your first run!

Funny how you almost seem embarrassed to admit you're spending time on cosmetic issues like the dash ends, but I think it's great you are sorting them, as I think they make all the difference when you sit in the car and drive it (given they are not as important as having a good running engine though :lol:).

You have lost me completely with all this talk of Carbs and balancing, but it's great to read; and maybe if I am lucky... some of it might stay in my memory banks, and I might learn something :)
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MattBLancs wrote: 10 Oct 2023, 06:00 For some reason despite you not phrasing it as "more vee eight-y" my mind jumped to "more tractor-y"
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c16rkc wrote: 10 Oct 2023, 08:22 You have lost me completely with all this talk of Carbs and balancing, but it's great to read; and maybe if I am lucky... some of it might stay in my memory banks, and I might learn something :)
Carbs are great Chris :) Those of us who grew up with them have somewhat of a love-hate relationship with them. They caused us a lot of grief and wasted petrol!

The advent of fuel injection was much welcomed by all... The latest entry in my blog has a bit on what a carb'd car can do when parked up on a hot day ;)

Zel, do you have a Gunson balancing kit? The old 'Carbalancer'. If not, an old trick was to use a piece of tube as a crude stethoscope and listen to the intake roar on each carb. at idle and adjust them until they both sounded the same...

Back in the 80s when I used to run motorbikes with multiple carbs I had the manometer set of four glass tubes with U bends in them and filled with mercury... Would never be allowed these days! It worked brilliantly though - the carbs had special test ports on them on which the manometer tubes could be connected for balancing adjustments...
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CitroJim wrote: 10 Oct 2023, 14:34
c16rkc wrote: 10 Oct 2023, 08:22 You have lost me completely with all this talk of Carbs and balancing, but it's great to read; and maybe if I am lucky... some of it might stay in my memory banks, and I might learn something :)
Back in the 80s when I used to run motorbikes with multiple carbs I had the manometer set of four glass tubes with U bends in them and filled with mercury... Would never be allowed these days! It worked brilliantly though - the carbs had special test ports on them on which the manometer tubes could be connected for balancing adjustments...
Back in the 80s? I balanced my ZZR-1100 carbs back in 2019 using a very similar piece of kit which had been rescued from the dark ages!
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A mate of mine made himself an SU balancer using fish tank tubing, a pair of biro springs and a couple of ball bearings which sat snugly in the pipes. When connected you adjusted until the balls were at the same height against the springs. I can't remember how they were attached but it may have been araldite!! :-D
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Michel wrote: 10 Oct 2023, 14:38
CitroJim wrote: 10 Oct 2023, 14:34
c16rkc wrote: 10 Oct 2023, 08:22 You have lost me completely with all this talk of Carbs and balancing, but it's great to read; and maybe if I am lucky... some of it might stay in my memory banks, and I might learn something :)
Back in the 80s when I used to run motorbikes with multiple carbs I had the manometer set of four glass tubes with U bends in them and filled with mercury... Would never be allowed these days! It worked brilliantly though - the carbs had special test ports on them on which the manometer tubes could be connected for balancing adjustments...
Back in the 80s? I balanced my ZZR-1100 carbs back in 2019 using a very similar piece of kit which had been rescued from the dark ages!
Good to know there's still some out there Mike, they were by far the best way of balancing multiple carbs... I gave up motorcycling in the early 90s and I'm not sure now what happened to my balancing set... May have gone to whoever bought my last bike...
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mickthemaverick wrote: 10 Oct 2023, 14:40 A mate of mine made himself an SU balancer using fish tank tubing, a pair of biro springs and a couple of ball bearings which sat snugly in the pipes. When connected you adjusted until the balls were at the same height against the springs. I can't remember how they were attached but it may have been araldite!! :-D
That's a lot better than doing it by ear as I described Mick :D I'm sure Zel could knock something like that up in an hour or so...
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CitroJim wrote: 10 Oct 2023, 14:43
Michel wrote: 10 Oct 2023, 14:38
CitroJim wrote: 10 Oct 2023, 14:34
Back in the 80s when I used to run motorbikes with multiple carbs I had the manometer set of four glass tubes with U bends in them and filled with mercury... Would never be allowed these days! It worked brilliantly though - the carbs had special test ports on them on which the manometer tubes could be connected for balancing adjustments...
Back in the 80s? I balanced my ZZR-1100 carbs back in 2019 using a very similar piece of kit which had been rescued from the dark ages!
Good to know there's still some out there Mike, they were by far the best way of balancing multiple carbs... I gave up motorcycling in the early 90s and I'm not sure now what happened to my balancing set... May have gone to whoever bought my last bike...
The bike I plan to get in spring will need a set. Another 4-cylinder 1100cc super-tourer... A Honda Blackbird 1100XX. The earlier ones are carb-fed, and for ease of fixing and tinkering, I prefer that model. I'll be keeping my 2016 BMW with it's fuel injection, TC, ABS, TPMS, Electronically adjustable springs etc. I also want to do the alps with Mrs. Michel, so we've decided on a Blackbird 1100..
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The layout for the balancer was something like this:
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CitroJim wrote: 10 Oct 2023, 14:34
Back in the 80s when I used to run motorbikes with multiple carbs I had the manometer set of four glass tubes with U bends in them and filled with mercury... Would never be allowed these days! It worked brilliantly though - the carbs had special test ports on them on which the manometer tubes could be connected for balancing adjustments...
This is the modern version, made by the same lot that did the mercury ones, I think. They use a metal slug in each tube in place of the mercury.
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Michel wrote: 10 Oct 2023, 14:59
The bike I plan to get in spring will need a set. Another 4-cylinder 1100cc super-tourer... A Honda Blackbird 1100XX. The earlier ones are carb-fed, and for ease of fixing and tinkering, I prefer that model. I'll be keeping my 2016 BMW with it's fuel injection, TC, ABS, TPMS, Electronically adjustable springs etc. I also want to do the alps with Mrs. Michel, so we've decided on a Blackbird 1100..

You can borrow my kit if you want, Mike. They set up my V-F-R (with its injected engine !) very well :)
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I will definitely need to invest in some new tools to allow me to handle carb balancing. Have never had a car with more than one carb before, so this is somewhat new territory for me - on my own car anyway, I have helped work on others before. A fair old while back though.

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Sadly they couldn't fit me in today, but it's booked in now for Thursday morning. I have checked and the toe angle adjuster cracked free no bother at all so at least that's one fight they won't have to deal with.

They were helpfully able to fit in sorting the slow puncture on the offside rear wheel on the Peugeot though - a nail was found well hidden in the tread so that was sorted. Having that wheel balanced has got rid of the slight vibration at speed too which is a nice bonus, that must have been the wheel that was out.

That's two punctures in three weeks. Our neighbours across the road are having a bunch of building work done. Coincidence? Last puncture I had was I think in 2004.

The dash on the P6 has gone back together now the paint has cured.

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Much better than patchy rust I think.

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It was originally a satin finish (I'm assuming some sort of powder coating rather than painted based on how it flaked off) but I don't think the hammered glossy finish looks at all out of place. I may at some point need to see if I can do anything to convince the top of the dash to return to something closer to its original shape - the whole dash top has lifted when the board backing has got damp - thinking doing that deliberately and putting something heavy on top of it might be worth a try...but equally I don't want to make it worse...I think just taking some black paint to the underside of it so you can't so clearly see that you're looking at the underside of fibreboard is probably the more sensible option.

This afternoon saw some further testing, trying to dial in the kickdown cable adjustment - which I think I've pretty much got there now. It's fair to say that with the carbs being synced and the timing adjusted we do have rather more low end torque now. To the point that when I pulled away after backing out of the drive for the first time the few things which had been sitting on top of the dash and in the open glove box were launched into the passenger seat/my lap with quite some force. Previously you needed to noticeably press the accelerator to get power, now bumbling around on residential side streets just requires the tiniest of inputs as you'd kind of expect for an engine and gearbox combination like this. The typical V8 burble is now very much present on light throttle.

There is definitely something not quite right with the rear suspension. Turning right at a roundabout with any speed will make the nearside rear tyre rub on the arch as that corner is sitting far too low. Hoping we can get it up on the ramp when I have the tracking done to get a proper look at what's going on. I can't see evidence of a broken spring poking my head under the car, but you can't really get a clear look at it. There could be a break towards either extreme end of the spring that I just can't see.

While we were out doing the testing I was getting a little warm so opened the fresh air vent below the instrument panel.

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This it turned out was a poorly considered decision and was definitely a mistake. The millisecond the vent started to open, approximately 30 years worth of dessicated spiders, a not inconsiderable number of pine needles, atomised leaves and a large amount of dust was launched straight into my face. All I can say is I was very glad to be wearing sunglasses at the time as it kept at least most of it out of my eyes.

Later in the afternoon I made a bit of a save of some completely non car related hardware. As this whole estate was originally built as part of a homes expo quite a few of the houses had some quite distinctive fixtures and fittings. The vast majority of them in the intervening 42 years have of course been refitted in rather less exotic decor, though there was one house just round the corner from us which had survived with a huge amount of the original kit still in situ.

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Sadly following the sale of the place last year it's now being gutted and renovated, into I'm sure a far less interesting form. I did rescue one little fragment of the original expo which can now live on.

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A good chunk of that is going to be made into a very festive rug for my room.

I'm a great believer that the world's seeming to have become afraid of bold colours is a very sad thing. Aside from just liking bold patterns and such (blame being the son of a commercial artist from the 60s!), while it's a small thing it's a bit of MK's history I've been able to preserve.
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Yes, the world is a grey place without LSD in wide spread use by artists/musicians
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Zelandeth wrote: 10 Oct 2023, 22:43 I'm a great believer that the world's seeming to have become afraid of bold colours is a very sad thing.
Worry not Zel, just you wait until I've redecorated my house... Very bright and bold colours already chosen ;) One person on here knows what I've chosen ;) Robyn has seen the swatches and she's not impressed or approving...

A combination of very lively yellows and oranges... It's going to look great and would go with that carpet a treat!
Stickyfinger wrote: 11 Oct 2023, 00:11 Yes, the world is a grey place without LSD in wide spread use by artists/musicians
Yep :D

On the subject of punctures and building work... Yes. I found a small screw in one of Pix's tyres.. Either from my ongoing work or from a tip trip...

I'm very careful but a good sweep of my drive the other day found two...
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Agree wholeheartedly on boring colours. Makes me sad that the "ever increasing grey-ness" is now polluting interior colour schemes and even window frames. Neighbour over the road has just had a big long fence on their boundary, then next day that was transformed into tedious monotone! Yuck.

Nails and screws in tyres, I keep wondering about one of these:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/374797665265

Magnetic sweeper (about £35, some came up at more than £100 when I first searched!!)
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A magnetic sweeper is a great idea Matt..

I've been known to drag a big permanent magnet around in the past looking for nails and screws... Old hard disks can be a good source, and before that, the focus magnets from 50s televisions...
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