Citroen Berlingo 2009 1.6TD Brake judder issue

[Charris13]

Hi all
I'm hoping you can help me once again.
This time my husbands Berlingo 2009 1.6 TD.
It has a brake judder issue on the foot pedal when braking. We have a decent code reader which is recognising an ABS fault (coherance problem) on the front right side and we have a sensor on order but as we've had the sensor go on the front left previously without brake judder this may not be the problem.

So far he's replaced the brake disc on the front right and the brake caliper and greased all the sliders it's still the same.
If anyone has any ideas as to what could be causing this I'd be very grateful for some pointers.
The code reader isn't showing up any other faults, it's an icarsoft reader.
Many thanks all

[mickthemaverick]

This is a pure conclusion from your post. Since he has replaced the entire offside brake mechanism it does suggest that the ABS sensor is sending false signals to the ECU resulting in the ECU operating the ABS which you are feeling as judder. So I'd have that sensor changed, check the connectors at sensor and fusebox to make sure you have no corrosion and then see how it performs with the new sensor Good luck

[Charris13]

Thanks for the quick response I will pass it on to him and we'll try your suggestions first. Many thanks

[Paul-R]

It seems to me that if only one side has a new brake disc then the braking may be out of balance. It's generally considered a good idea to fit brake discs in pairs. Also, what happened about brake pads? Did an old pair of brake pads get refitted onto the new brake disc? Or were new pads fitted to both sides? Either way the pads will need bedding in.

[Trickiedickie]

We had bad brake judder when braking at speed. I changed the front pads and no difference. So then I changed both the front disks and the judder was gone.

[PaulC5]

Brake judder can be caused by problems with the rear brakes as well as the front ones. I had this on a Maxi and it was wear in a rear brake drum.

Rather than just replacing the discs the runout should have been checked with a dial gauge as well as on the new ones installed to make sure it is within spec.

[Berlingo2008]

Similar issue with 2008 Multispace 1.6 diesel.

Rear ABS sensor fault fixed .. (caused permanent) ABS fault within seconds of ignition being switched on ..

Now drives (horrible braking noise) offside front then ABS fault triggers (30 seconds to a couple of minutes) and then brakes silently BUT ABS fault shows up .. ABS light remains on ..


Car check says: BERLINGO HDI 75 MULTISPACE FORTE E4

[PaulC5]

Edit, just seen you have a separate more detailed topic about this so ignore the following and see/post replies on viewtopic.php?t=90414

Plug it in to a code reader that does abs and see what ABS fault it suggests. No point in trying to guess or replace parts hoping to get it right without spending too much money.

For the noise have you checked if the pads are worn out or any stones stuck in the brake ? Also have a look for any damage.

What have you done to try and fix the brake judder (you say you have a similar problem to the original post) ?

[Berlingo2008]

My conclusion is that my judder possibly the OP's judder too is actually a function of GIGO (Garbage In causes Garbage Out) wheel speed sensor data error supplied to the EUC .. this then triggers odd braking behaviour (judder) .. BUT definitely in my case .. smooth nose free braking is restored as soon as the ABS fault is triggered ..

Fixing it no so easy .. but that is my working hypothesis ..

[Berlingo2008]

Hi all
I'm hoping you can help me once again.
This time my husbands Berlingo 2009 1.6 TD.
It has a brake judder issue on the foot pedal when braking. We have a decent code reader which is recognising an ABS fault (coherance problem) on the front right side and we have a sensor on order but as we've had the sensor go on the front left previously without brake judder this may not be the problem.

So far he's replaced the brake disc on the front right and the brake caliper and greased all the sliders it's still the same.
If anyone has any ideas as to what could be causing this I'd be very grateful for some pointers.
The code reader isn't showing up any other faults, it's an icarsoft reader.
Many thanks all

Did you guys ever find a resolution to your issue ..

I am pretty sure my similar judder issue is sensor related .. fixing it not so straightforward ..