Berlingo Semi Auto 'Box Leaking
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Berlingo Semi Auto 'Box Leaking
I have inherited a 2012 Berlingo 1.6 e-HDi with the semi automatic gearbox (EGS or ETG6?) and I've sort of decided to keep it for a while.
It's done very little over the years and sat about a bit unused, only just clocked 25K but as I'm now using it a bit more it has developed a leak.
I first noticed it dripping of the diff housing and on closer inspection it appears to be seeping out of the join between gearbox and engine and running back to diff housing (lowest point)
It's quite clear and clean oily liquid that obviously isn't sooty black like the engine oil is and it's too thin for gearbox oil, so I am thinking it's actuator fluid from the semi automatic gearbox/clutch.
Poking about a bit further with the undertray off (what a faff) it's also very oily around the pipe/wiring harness into the bell housing that feeds the concentric slave cylinder for the clutch, so I'm pretty certain it's this pipe and/or the CSC that's leaking.
Does this sound plausible? I see other posts relating to another pipe leaking, the one from the reservoir, but I'm certain it's not that pipe, it's either the CSC or it's feed pipe.
I've resisted fiddling with this pipe as I gather it might be under pressure and I'm guessing by the look of horror on my local spanner mans face when I mentioned the problem/car/gearbox, it's likely to be a massive job for a specialist.
Anyone know of one in the London area, preferably South East London.
It's done very little over the years and sat about a bit unused, only just clocked 25K but as I'm now using it a bit more it has developed a leak.
I first noticed it dripping of the diff housing and on closer inspection it appears to be seeping out of the join between gearbox and engine and running back to diff housing (lowest point)
It's quite clear and clean oily liquid that obviously isn't sooty black like the engine oil is and it's too thin for gearbox oil, so I am thinking it's actuator fluid from the semi automatic gearbox/clutch.
Poking about a bit further with the undertray off (what a faff) it's also very oily around the pipe/wiring harness into the bell housing that feeds the concentric slave cylinder for the clutch, so I'm pretty certain it's this pipe and/or the CSC that's leaking.
Does this sound plausible? I see other posts relating to another pipe leaking, the one from the reservoir, but I'm certain it's not that pipe, it's either the CSC or it's feed pipe.
I've resisted fiddling with this pipe as I gather it might be under pressure and I'm guessing by the look of horror on my local spanner mans face when I mentioned the problem/car/gearbox, it's likely to be a massive job for a specialist.
Anyone know of one in the London area, preferably South East London.
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Re: Berlingo Semi Auto 'Box Leaking
Ok, just to clarify some things there is no semi automatic gearbox on these.
It is basically a manual gearbox and separate clutch. The only difference is that it uses electro hydraulic actuators to operate the gears and the clutch for you. So no torque converter.
They can be horrendous to sort when they go wrong. The actuator system is pressurised by hydraulic fluid and there is a reservoir for this that you should be able to see with the fluid levels on.
Pop up your VIN and I’ll put up a picture of the system
It is basically a manual gearbox and separate clutch. The only difference is that it uses electro hydraulic actuators to operate the gears and the clutch for you. So no torque converter.
They can be horrendous to sort when they go wrong. The actuator system is pressurised by hydraulic fluid and there is a reservoir for this that you should be able to see with the fluid levels on.
Pop up your VIN and I’ll put up a picture of the system
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Re: Berlingo Semi Auto 'Box Leaking
Thanks for the reply, yes I understand it's a manual that has been automated.
Vin: VF7**************[VIN obfuscated, can be read by forum staff]
I think this is the same issue I have.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=61093&hilit=egs+leak
Just the job I was worried about.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=61384
I can't see me tackling this myself, just need to find someone local that knows how too (and not just reckons they can).
Vin: VF7**************[VIN obfuscated, can be read by forum staff]
I think this is the same issue I have.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=61093&hilit=egs+leak
Just the job I was worried about.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=61384
I can't see me tackling this myself, just need to find someone local that knows how too (and not just reckons they can).
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Re: Berlingo Semi Auto 'Box Leaking
Ok so you have the STT6 speed manual gearbox.
Here are the main components of the system:
Another member changed out his clutch on his C4 Picasso with this system, and put up a load of his own videos on doing the job. It may help you get an idea of what’s involved generally...
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=61384&hilit=Chef
Here are the main components of the system:
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viewtopic.php?f=3&t=61384&hilit=Chef
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Re: Berlingo Semi Auto 'Box Leaking
Hi,
I have also a leak from the gearbox actuator. Would somebody minds telling me what gear box and actuator do I have if I post my VIN please?
Thank you ever so much
I have also a leak from the gearbox actuator. Would somebody minds telling me what gear box and actuator do I have if I post my VIN please?
Thank you ever so much
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Re: Berlingo Semi Auto 'Box Leaking
The hydraulic Actuators are responsible for operating the clutch and changing the gears. They vehicles have a standard manual gearbox and clutch, but have hydraulic components to operate the clutch and change the gears, giving the appearance of an automatic, but they are not automatics, having no torque converter.
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Yes but would like to know what parts my have has so I know what I need to buy, please? I need to know what gearbox and what actuator please. ..
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Re: Berlingo Semi Auto 'Box Leaking
Don't buy anything without having it properly diagnosed. These are not cheap components and there can be various reasons for a leak. I strongly suggest you get it to a dealer for a proper diagnostic which may save money in the long term as these are complicated systems and potentially not cheap to fix when they go wrong.
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Actually my car runs very smoothly. Is just that when going through MOT they said there was lots of smoke from engine and in the floor there was a big leak. So they refused to fix the track rod and replace brakes which where the only things observed during MOT. They said they suspected it was a leak from gearbox.
Today I brought the car in a gearbox specialist garage and they told me gearbox is fine. However they saw a little bit of liquid in the tank of the gearbox actuator and said that must be it. Then they concluded it must be a broken hose or something. I didn't pay them anything.
My car works perfectly is just maintenance guys when they see or touch cars... you know how it works I am sure.
I have asked citroen yesterday to top up the gearbox with fluid (cause yesterday I didn't know about the actuator) and they told me that gearboxes don't get topped up. (Obviously they are oblivious to preventive maintenance)
So all good
Today I brought the car in a gearbox specialist garage and they told me gearbox is fine. However they saw a little bit of liquid in the tank of the gearbox actuator and said that must be it. Then they concluded it must be a broken hose or something. I didn't pay them anything.
My car works perfectly is just maintenance guys when they see or touch cars... you know how it works I am sure.
I have asked citroen yesterday to top up the gearbox with fluid (cause yesterday I didn't know about the actuator) and they told me that gearboxes don't get topped up. (Obviously they are oblivious to preventive maintenance)
So all good
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Re: Berlingo Semi Auto 'Box Leaking
That's because it's not the gearbox fluid that they generally do. They probably thought you meant the actual gearbox oil which is separate and these generally don't require maintenance.
If you had said you think there is a leak in the gearbox / clutch actuator hydraulic reservoir then you may have gotten a different response, so I suggest you give them a ring.
If you had said you think there is a leak in the gearbox / clutch actuator hydraulic reservoir then you may have gotten a different response, so I suggest you give them a ring.
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Ok I will speak again tomorrow with them.
By the way, the engine smells like burned electronic/plastic apparatus. Do you know what it might be? (Aside a plastic being burned) I was thinking perhaps clutch burned due to no oil etc. Is it possible? Any other brainstorming ideas?
By the way, the engine smells like burned electronic/plastic apparatus. Do you know what it might be? (Aside a plastic being burned) I was thinking perhaps clutch burned due to no oil etc. Is it possible? Any other brainstorming ideas?
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Re: Berlingo Semi Auto 'Box Leaking
No because it is a standard clutch. Clutches don’t have oil in them, but can get contaminated with oil from things like the crank case when the oil seal fails for example.
Or it could be whatever is leaking could be getting thrown into a hot part of the exhaust system causing the smell.
Or it could be whatever is leaking could be getting thrown into a hot part of the exhaust system causing the smell.
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Oh that's a good point. On the clutch I was thinking in term of friction... friction could generate heat and burned like smells I suppose
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Re: Berlingo Semi Auto 'Box Leaking
The friction would really only happen if the clutch was being 'ridden', but that should not happen with a semi auto. If the actuator oil was particularly low, you would soon get issues with the gears not engaging or refusal to go into a gear for example. So don't leave it if you suspect the actuator reservoir is leaking or you may not be able to get it in gear and it'll need a flatbed tow.
Also be aware that the reservoir oil level is checked when the actuator hydraulics are depressurised, which needs Diagbox to do or other professional diagnostic tool, as does any work on the actuator circuit so beware.
Also be aware that the reservoir oil level is checked when the actuator hydraulics are depressurised, which needs Diagbox to do or other professional diagnostic tool, as does any work on the actuator circuit so beware.
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Re: Berlingo Semi Auto 'Box Leaking
The gears works very smoothly. Driven today and changed all gears from 1 to 6 several times. Also in reverse. They change like silk. No issue whatsoever. I am starting to think is the screen wash what leaked on those not guys..