Peugeot 207 cc Hdi engine malfunction

[jmee54]

Hi, I am new to the forum and to Peugeot diesels with all the gubbins on them.
I bought my car privately at the beginning of January, then promptly broke my ankle! Yesterday I taxed and insured it and took it for its first outing. I took it on a 30 mile round trip in the sunshine and all was well, the roof was down and I was all smiles, that is until I pulled onto my drive. The engine started to massively misfire and shake and the engine light came on. The dash said ESP/ASR fault. These seem to be for a braking issue, which seems unrelated to my engine fault? This morning I started the car to check if it had miraculously sorted itself out. It hadn't! The car seems to run on tick over, albeit a little roughly, but as soon as I press the accelerator it misfires badly and the engine shakes quite violently.
I bought this car to replace a Fiat 500 that I recently spent £1300 to fix a problem and that still wasn't right. I am gutted that I now have a problem (potentially serious) on a car that has only travelled 30 miles. The guy I bought it off delivered it for me due to my ankle and as I said everything seemed to be running well. There seems to be a minefield of anti pollution gizmos that can trigger codes, but do they come with serious disabling of the engine? Oh, and the car was supposed to have had new injectors fitted recently. Any ideas of what I should look at?

[RichardW]

Welcome along

What engine is actually in it? The brake lights coming on is common when the engine has a problem and sets a code as it interrupts the engine speed dataflow to the ABS ECU. You will need to get it on a diag computer to see what is wrong. If it's a 1.6, injector would be common, but these have already been replaced apparently... I would still be suspicious of them!

[jmee54]

Hi, I remembered we have AA home start! The man who can, said it was an injector. Diagnostics confirmed No1 injector had failed. The cost of a garage fix would be too much for me, so I removed the injector this afternoon. It did look pretty new, but electronics can be fickle. The injector return pipe had been broken and bodged. (I wonder what else has!) I have ordered a refurbished injector (fingers crossed) a new return pipe and new seals. 1.6 Hdi. Thanks for your reply.

[PaulC5]

On Citroens they tend to number the cylinders from the gear box end so whilst I am not sure, the same might apply to Peugeots. If this is the case what you might think is no.1 injector could well be no.4 injector. A new injector will likely need to be programmed in with a diagnostic.

[RichardW]

Correct, numbered from gearbox end. Programming the new injectors required, it will run without, but might be a bit rough.

[jmee54]

Hi, thanks. What is needed to program the injector? Is it a garage job or can it be done with an OBD scanner? Cheers John.

The AA man said it was numbered back to front!

[RichardW]

You just have to tell it the number on the injector, which is related to how the injector performs. Some scanners will be able to do it, it depends on exactly what it is and what functions it supports - you can have a look under repair / replacement parts options to see if there is anything there.

[jmee54]

Dazed and confused.
Right, I have my injector. New leak off tubing, and seals. I head back to the engine bay with my new injector and notice my old one has a plastic collar.
1. No injector I have seen on Youtube has this.
2. I get my pick to remove the black seal and there is no black seal!
3. My engine only has one stud to hold the injector in place.

Does my engine not have the top seal? There seems to be no place for it to locate.
Is it a taper seal?
One bolt/stud fastening? Have I got a later/earlier engine? Is this an upgraded design, or is the two bolt fastening the upgrade?
What is the plastic ring on the injector for. I can't see a reason for it.

I have photos that I can't work out how to load.
I think I have loaded them as files, below.
Cheers John.

2012 207 CC 1.6 Hdi Roland Garros with a replacement engine>

[jmee54]

Files haven't loaded. So I've not managed to load photos.
John

[jmee54]

Dazed and confused.
Right, I have my injector. New leak off tubing, and seals. I head back to the engine bay with my new injector and notice my old one has a plastic collar.
1. No injector I have seen on Youtube has this.
2. I get my pick to remove the black seal and there is no black seal!
3. My engine only has one stud to hold the injector in place.

Does my engine not have the top seal? There seems to be no place for it to locate.
Is it a taper seal?
One bolt/stud fastening? Have I got a later/earlier engine? Is this an upgraded design, or is the two bolt fastening the upgrade?
What is the plastic ring on the injector for. I can't see a reason for it.

I have photos that I can't work out how to load.
I think I have loaded them as files, below.
Cheers John.

2012 207 CC 1.6 Hdi Roland Garros with a replacement engine>

[jmee54]

Success!

[jmee54]

My injectors have a foam moulding above and below the injectors too.

[RichardW]

Yours is the layer 8V DV6C engine if it has single bolt clamps. I think the plastic sleeve should be transferred across (or replaced) I can't remember about the top seal, but if it wasn't there on the original that indicates it's not needed.
Vid below shows replacing an injector on one of these, the plastic sleeve gets a special mention in the middle!!

[jmee54]

Thanks Richard, very helpful.
If anyone knows what the plastic collar is called I'd like to know (in case I break it!)
Also if anyone can confirm the presence or not of a seal at the top. (the black one on the 16 valve engine. Or for that matter the white spacer piece, in the now redundant seal kit) I would be incredibly grateful.
This is a steep learning curve for me. Moto Guzzis are a piece of cake compared to this car! But, I have learnt a lot and there is nothing so far that I wouldn't tackle myself, except the diagnostics and programming. I've not got the kit and it seems expensive. I'll need to visit a friendly garage for the injector programming.
Cheers John.

[jmee54]

Found them!!!!! And no top seal.