[2006] Peugeot 407 SW 2.0 HDi Cutting Out on Motorway

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[2006] Peugeot 407 SW 2.0 HDi Cutting Out on Motorway

Post by BadIdea »

Hi,

I figured a new thread was better for the latest issues I've been experiencing.

The other day I took the car for a fairly long journey - 180-mile round trip. On the way there, the car drove brilliantly for the first 30 mins, but then started stuttering intermittently, and seemingly more often around 50 to 60 mph. When this happened, the revs would bounce up and down, and the car would judder and hesitate. This gradually got more frequent toward the end of the journey. Nevertheless, we made it to our destination.

On the way back, the first 15 mins were fine but then the juddering came back (temperature related?). We stopped at a service station for supplies and the car refused to start a few times. Eventually we got it going and 5 mins up the motorway at around 60 mph, the car juddered, the revs dropped, but this time did not bounce back, eventually rolling to a stop in the hard shoulder. It then refused to start at all.

By the time we got recovered (over an hour later), the rescue driver turned the key and the engine fired :roll: We got transported back anyway as I didn't trust it would get us home.

Anyway, I borrowed a laptop and ran Diagbox today for the following report:

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 ECUs present
BMF : Built-in Systems Interface
Response data
R61809642825280000496557083800700FFFF054047687099
R61FE89E9000004AF020206FF000709020206FE02000002612368
R61809642825280000496557083800700FFFF054047687099
R61B056463336455248524A3231343438303139
R61CA0018D727FFFF005E003A

State of the ECU: BSI
Reference 1 : 9642825280
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 2
CBAC : boot fuse box: Rear left fog lamp fault.
Characterisation : open circuit.
Status :
Location : local
Variables associated with the fault

CBB3 : boot fuse box: Boot light control fault.
Characterisation : open circuit.
Status :
Location : local
Variables associated with the fault


BSC : Boot relay unit
Response data
R618C9644332680000496561481800000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

State of the ECU: BSC
Reference 1 : 9656148180
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 2
CBAC : Fault-rear left fog lamp
Characterisation : open circuit.
Status :
Location : local
Variables associated with the fault

CBB3 : Fault-boot lighting control
Characterisation : open circuit.
Status :
Location : local
Variables associated with the fault


CPL : Rain and light sensor
Response data
R61809651835280000396594857800500FF01024051840699

State of the ECU: PLUIE_LUMINOSITE
Reference 1 : 9659485780
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 0

CLIM : Air conditioning
Response data
R618096475264800026964752648064050000008046396299

State of the ECU: CLIM_REGULEE
Reference 1 : 9647526480
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 0

CHANGEURCD : CD changer / External CD player
Response data
R618096474279800015964742798005000202004048144799

State of the ECU: CHANGEUR_CD
Reference 1 : 9647427980
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 0

ALARMES : Anti-theft alarm
Response data
R6180964580638000139657384680060A020A044047194499

State of the ECU: ALARME
Reference 1 : 9657384680
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 0

HDC : Controls under the steering wheel
Response data
R61809647305177000696611304770300FFFF05404782909A

State of the ECU: HDC
Reference 1 : 9661130477
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 0

INJ : Engine management ECU
Response data
R61FE0000000004300102060289010A010206FE00000001622734
R61FE0000000004300102060289010A010206FE00000001622734
R6180965553408000049655534080FFFFFFFF0201FFFFFFFF

State of the ECU: HDI_SID803A
Reference 1 : 622734
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 10
P0495 : Cooling function integrated into the ECU
Characterisation : Consistency between speed of fan assembly and reference
Status : Permanent fault
Location : local
Variables associated with the fault
Engine speed : 0 rpm
output injected : 0.00 mg/impulse
engine coolant temperature : 40 °C
vehicle speed : 0 kph
battery voltage : 12.20 Volt(s)
Engine status : Engine off 
time elapsed since ignition positive : 68 seconds
Fan unit speed setting or fan unit high speed setting : 100 %
Fan unit low speed setting : No 
air conditioning authorisation : No 
air conditioning request : No 
Fan unit : Inactive 
air conditioning pressure : 6.566400 bar(s)
supply voltage of sensors : 5.027 Volt(s)

P0692 : Fan assembly high speed control
Characterisation : open circuit or short circuit to earth
Status : Permanent fault
Location : local
Variables associated with the fault
Engine speed : 800 rpm
output injected : 11.31 mg/impulse
engine coolant temperature : 40 °C
vehicle speed : 0 kph
battery voltage : 13.79 Volt(s)
Engine status : idling 
time elapsed since ignition positive : 93 seconds
Accelerator pedal position, track 1 : 6050 %
Accelerator pedal position, track 2 : 0 %
Main brake : Pressed 
Redundant brake : Released 
clutch : Released 
air conditioning cut request : Inactive 
Fan unit : Inactive 
additional heating 1 input : Inactive 
additional heating 2 input : Inactive 
engine load : 2 N.m
ESP request status : ? 
+ ignition on voltage : 0.11 V

P1197 : injectors control
Characterisation : Harness, injector, ECU power stage
Status : intermittent
Location : local
Variables associated with the fault
Engine speed : 0 rpm
output injected : 0.00 mg/impulse
engine coolant temperature : 19 °C
vehicle speed : 0 kph
battery voltage : 1.47 Volt(s)
Engine status : Engine off 
time elapsed since ignition positive : 0 seconds
diesel temperature : 20 °C
diesel presure : 0 bar(s)
Fuel pressure regulator open cycle ratio : 0 %
diesel flow regulator open cycle ratio : 7 %
diesel pressure reference value : 0.000000 bar(s)
Main brake : Released 
Redundant brake : Released 
clutch : Pressed 
air conditioning request : Inactive 
Fan unit : Inactive 
additional heating 1 input : Inactive 
additional heating 2 input : Inactive 

P1169 : injector voltage converter
Characterisation : Voltage more than 90 volts or less than 40 volts
Status : intermittent
Location : local
Variables associated with the fault
Engine speed : 0 rpm
output injected : 0.00 mg/impulse
engine coolant temperature : 19 °C
vehicle speed : 0 kph
battery voltage : 1.47 Volt(s)
Engine status : Engine off 
time elapsed since ignition positive : 3 seconds
supply voltage of sensors : 5.027 Volt(s)
supply voltage of sensors : 5.03 Volt(s)
ECU load : 0 %
Injector control voltage : 01.13 Volt(s)
+ ignition on voltage : 10.85 V

P0562 : battery voltage
Characterisation : too low
Status : intermittent
Location : local
Variables associated with the fault
Engine speed : 0 rpm
output injected : 0.00 mg/impulse
engine coolant temperature : 19 °C
vehicle speed : 0 kph
battery voltage : 1.47 Volt(s)
Engine status : Engine off 
time elapsed since ignition positive : 5 seconds
supply voltage of sensors : 5.027 Volt(s)
supply voltage of sensors : 5.03 Volt(s)
ECU load : 0 %
Injector control voltage : 01.04 Volt(s)
+ ignition on voltage : 9.04 V

P1352 : pre/post heating relay circuit
Characterisation : spark plugs permanently supplied
Status : intermittent
Location : local
Variables associated with the fault
Engine speed : 0 rpm
output injected : 0.00 mg/impulse
engine coolant temperature : 19 °C
vehicle speed : 0 kph
battery voltage : 1.47 Volt(s)
Engine status : Engine off 
time elapsed since ignition positive : 6 seconds
Accelerator pedal position, track 1 : 0 %
Accelerator pedal position, track 2 : 0 %
Main brake : Released 
Redundant brake : Released 
clutch : Pressed 
air conditioning cut request : Inactive 
Fan unit : Inactive 
additional heating 1 input : Inactive 
additional heating 2 input : Inactive 
engine load : 4 N.m
ESP request status : not present or pressed 
+ ignition on voltage : 10.74 V

P2137 : Accelerator pedal signal
Characterisation : Consistency with other accelerator pedal signal
Status : intermittent
Location : local
Variables associated with the fault
Engine speed : 1568 rpm
output injected : 0.00 mg/impulse
engine coolant temperature : 96 °C
vehicle speed : 50 kph
battery voltage : 14.24 Volt(s)
Engine status : idling 
time elapsed since ignition positive : 1858 seconds
Accelerator pedal position, track 1 : 0 %
Accelerator pedal position, track 2 : 0 %
Main brake : Released 
Redundant brake : Released 
clutch : Pressed 
air conditioning cut request : Inactive 
Fan unit : Inactive 
additional heating 1 input : Inactive 
additional heating 2 input : Inactive 
engine load : 8 N.m
ESP request status : not present or pressed 
+ ignition on voltage : 13.22 V

P0299 : turbo pressure signal
Characterisation : Pressure too low
Status : intermittent
Location : local
Variables associated with the fault
Engine speed : 2720 rpm
output injected : 10.28 mg/impulse
engine coolant temperature : 87 °C
vehicle speed : 62 kph
battery voltage : 14.01 Volt(s)
Engine status : engine under load 
time elapsed since ignition positive : 2347 seconds
turbo pressure measured : 1662 mbar
Turbo pressure reference value : 2279 mbar
measured air flow : 796 mg/impulse
Turbo electrovalve open cycle ratio : 1 %
turbo position repeat : 33 %
air flow sensor air temperature : -49 °C
Turbo regulation status : regulated 

P0336 : engine speed signal
Characterisation : coherence
Status : Permanent fault
Location : local
Variables associated with the fault
Engine speed : 0 rpm
output injected : 0.00 mg/impulse
engine coolant temperature : 90 °C
vehicle speed : 0 kph
battery voltage : 14.13 Volt(s)
Engine status : Engine off 
time elapsed since ignition positive : 218 seconds
Accelerator pedal position, track 1 : 0 %
Accelerator pedal position, track 2 : 0 %
Main brake : Released 
Redundant brake : Released 
clutch : Pressed 
air conditioning cut request : Inactive 
Fan unit : Inactive 
additional heating 1 input : Inactive 
additional heating 2 input : Inactive 
engine load : 4 N.m
ESP request status : not present or pressed 
+ ignition on voltage : 13.22 V

P0470 : differential exhaust pressure signal
Characterisation : Plausibility after starting engine cold
Status : Permanent fault
Location : local
Variables associated with the fault
Engine speed : 0 rpm
output injected : 11.31 mg/impulse
engine coolant temperature : 77 °C
vehicle speed : 114 kph
battery voltage : 14.35 Volt(s)
Engine status : Engine off 
time elapsed since ignition positive : 5463 seconds
air flow volume : 0 l/h
measured air flow : 398 mg/impulse
Number of km since last regeneration : 510 km
Particle filter differential pressure : 42 mbars
catalytic converter downstream temperature : 357 °C
regeneration request status : no regeneration requested 
Particle filter soot load : 19 %


AFFICHEUR : Multifunction screen
Response data
R61809645683880002E965788278007010007004044628499

State of the ECU: EMF_C
Reference 1 : 9657882780
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 0

AAS : Parking assistance
Response data
R618096509353800003965935068001800320004045653899

State of the ECU: AAS
Reference 1 : 9659350680
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 0

BSM : Engine relay unit
Response data
R618B9643802180000496565937800000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

State of the ECU: BSM
Reference 1 : 9656593780
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 0

DSG : Under-inflation detection
Response data
R61809647580780000496551400800700FFFF0D01FFFFFFFF

State of the ECU: DSG
Reference 1 : 9655140080
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 3
U1208 : fault in the Engine speed information received by the CAN from the engine management ECU
Characterisation : incorrect value received
Status : intermittent
Location : distant
Variables associated with the fault
vehicle speed : 86.17 kph
front LH tyre pressure : 0.0 bars
front RH tyre pressure : 0.0 bars
rear RH tyre pressure : 0.0 bars
rear LH tyre pressure : 0.0 bars
Steering wheel angle : -5 Degrees to the left °

U2006 : RCD fault: Engine speed information fault (absent or not valid)
Characterisation : Not characterised
Status : intermittent
Location : distant
Variables associated with the fault
vehicle speed : 85.75 kph
front LH tyre pressure : 0.0 bars
front RH tyre pressure : 0.0 bars
rear RH tyre pressure : 0.0 bars
rear LH tyre pressure : 0.0 bars
Steering wheel angle : -2 Degrees to the left °

U2005 : RCD fault: Vehicle speed information fault (absent or not valid)
Characterisation : Not characterised
Status : intermittent
Location : distant
Variables associated with the fault
vehicle speed : 0.00 kph
front LH tyre pressure : 0.0 bars
front RH tyre pressure : 0.0 bars
rear RH tyre pressure : 0.0 bars
rear LH tyre pressure : 0.0 bars
Steering wheel angle : 3 Degrees on the right °


ABRASR : Anti-lock Braking System (ABS) or Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Response data
R61809661731180000F966173118020444E570E0141505341
R61809661731180000F966173118020444E570E0141505341
R61809661731180000F966173118020444E570E0141505341

State of the ECU: ESP_EBC_440_K
Reference 1 : 9661731180
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 1
U1208 : Communication with engine ECU
Characterisation : Data invalid
Status : intermittent
Location : distant
Variables associated with the fault
front left wheel speed : 087 kph
front right wheel speed : 087 kph
left rear wheel speed : 086 kph
right rear wheel speed : 086 kph
Braking pressure : 000 bar(s)
supply voltage : 14.2 V
status of the steering wheel angle sensor : functional 


AIRBAG : Air bags and pre-tensioners control unit
Response data
R61809646864780000E96558808800402FF04014046595399

State of the ECU: SAC_AUTOLIV
Reference 1 : 9655880880
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 0

COMBINE : Instrument panel
Response data
R61809641747080000D96581387800901FFFF044046565499

State of the ECU: COMBINE
Reference 1 : 9658138780
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 0

AUTORADIO : Radio
Response data
R6180964687167700039659142777061C050402404726369A

State of the ECU: AUTORADIO
Reference 1 : 9659142777
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 1
F905 : fault on auxiliary audio input n° 1.
Characterisation : not characterised.
Status :
Location : local
Variables associated with the fault


ESSUIV : Windscreen wiper
Response data
R61D09661812003

State of the ECU: MOTEV
Reference 1 : 96618120
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 0

PORTEC : Driver's door module
Response data
R61809646593280002896465944800908250E014047992999

State of the ECU: EDPC
Reference 1 : 9646594480
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 0

PORTEP : Passenger door module
Response data
R61809646593280002896465945800908250E014047992999

State of the ECU: EDPP
Reference 1 : 9646594580
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 1
CC0E : mirror de-icing output fault.
Characterisation : open circuit.
Status :
Location : local
Variables associated with the fault


DIRECTN : Power steering
Response data
R61809643145480001C966098308010C0FFFF0D01FFFFFFFF

State of the ECU: GEP
Reference 1 : 9660983080
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 1
U1208 : Fault absence of communication with the engine management ECU and the hybrid management ECU (If the hybrid management ECU is present)
Characterisation : incorrect value received
Status : intermittent
Location : distant
Variables associated with the fault
vehicle speed : 84 kph
speed of rotation of the steering wheel : 0 °/s
electropump assembly measured current : 2.0 A
battery voltage : 2.0 V
electropump unit temperature : -26 °C
speed of rotation of the electropump assembly motor : 1688 Rpm
Engine status : locked 
Presence of + ignition on : Yes 
Steering status : power steering 
overheating of the electric pump unit : Yes 


BOITEVIT : automatic gearbox or controlled manual gearbox
Response data
R61FE000000003056150C05000A0003150C05FE02000001614793
R61FE000000003056150C05000A0003150C05FE02000001614793

State of the ECU: BVA_AM6
Reference 1 : 614793
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 2
C1335 : fault on the rear right wheel speed information not received by the CAN (Anti-lock braking system ECU)
Characterisation :
Status : intermittent
Location : distant
Variables associated with the fault
Converter status : not locked up or open 
Gear engaged : reverse 
Changing gear : No 
gearbox oil temperature : 014 °C
battery voltage : 14.20 Volt(s)
gearbox input speed (Turbine) : 0096 Rpm
gearbox output speed : 0026 Rpm
Engine speed : 0853 Rpm
Actual engine torque : 054 Nm
accelerator pedal position : 000 %
Torque reduction requested by the automatic gearbox : 408 Nm

U2000 : fault in synchronisation of the main controlled reawakening request received by the CAN (BSI ECU) and the controlled reawakening control by wire
Characterisation :
Status : intermittent
Location : distant
Variables associated with the fault
Converter status : Information not available 
Gear engaged : released 
Changing gear : No 
gearbox oil temperature : 102 °C
battery voltage : 12.90 Volt(s)
gearbox input speed (Turbine) : 0000 Rpm
gearbox output speed : 0000 Rpm
Engine speed : 0000 Rpm
Actual engine torque : 000 Nm
accelerator pedal position : 000 %
Torque reduction requested by the automatic gearbox : 408 Nm


ADDITIVATION : Diesel additive function
Response data
R61809647428280001F96474282800A000004024047343299

State of the ECU: ADDGO3
Reference 1 : 9647428280
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 0

SUSPVAR :
Response data

State of the ECU: communication error
Reference 1 :
Reference 2 :
Faults present :

CHAUFFADD :
Response data

State of the ECU: communication error
Reference 1 :
Reference 2 :
Faults present :

CORPROD :
Response data

State of the ECU: communication error
Reference 1 :
Reference 2 :
Faults present :

CORPROG :
Response data

State of the ECU: communication error
Reference 1 :
Reference 2 :
Faults present :

CORPRO :
Response data

State of the ECU: communication error
Reference 1 :
Reference 2 :
Faults present :

BECB :
Response data

State of the ECU: communication error
Reference 1 :
Reference 2 :
Faults present :

BSR : Trailer relay unit
Response data
R618D00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

State of the ECU: BSR
Reference 1 : 0000000000
Reference 2 :
Faults present : 0

KML :
Response data

State of the ECU: communication error
Reference 1 :
Reference 2 :
Faults present :

TELEMAT :
Response data

State of the ECU: communication error
Reference 1 :
Reference 2 :
Faults present :

BDMP :
Response data

State of the ECU: communication error
Reference 1 :
Reference 2 :
Faults present :

BDMC :
Response data

State of the ECU: communication error
Reference 1 :
Reference 2 :
Faults present :

TOUV :
Response data

State of the ECU: communication error
Reference 1 :
Reference 2 :
Faults present :

RHF :
Response data

State of the ECU: communication error
Reference 1 :
Reference 2 :
Faults present :
If anyone could help with the above, it would be massively appreciated. I feel like it's probably just a sensor or something that needs changing, and that it's temperature related, given that it got worse over time, then seemed fine after sitting for a while.
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Re: [2006] Peugeot 407 SW 2.0 HDi Cutting Out on Motorway

Post by BadIdea »

I almost forgot - my mrs took a video of what the revs were doing. You can see on the dash that we were cruising in 5th (AM6 auto 'box):

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Re: [2006] Peugeot 407 SW 2.0 HDi Cutting Out on Motorway

Post by RichardW »

There's lots of faults in there, but also lots of conflicting info - and much seems to be associated with low voltage so may be historical; you really need to clear them all out and see what comes back. There's one related to the throttle position sensor, and another to the turbo pressure - I would be looking to see these on live data to see what they are doing.
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Re: [2006] Peugeot 407 SW 2.0 HDi Cutting Out on Motorway

Post by BadIdea »

RichardW wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 20:05
There's lots of faults in there, but also lots of conflicting info - and much seems to be associated with low voltage so may be historical; you really need to clear them all out and see what comes back. There's one related to the throttle position sensor, and another to the turbo pressure - I would be looking to see these on live data to see what they are doing.
Thanks. It's a shame there are no date and time stamps associated with the faults. I did have a flat battery a couple of weeks ago, so perhaps that's what the voltage ones are about?

Is there an option in Diagbox for live data?
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Re: [2006] Peugeot 407 SW 2.0 HDi Cutting Out on Motorway

Post by Hell Razor5543 »

How old is the battery? It is known that failing batteries can cause all sorts of weird glitches in PSA vehicles (although I have not heard of them happening while the car is running).
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Re: [2006] Peugeot 407 SW 2.0 HDi Cutting Out on Motorway

Post by RichardW »

A flat battery would certainly lead to many of those, particularly if you tried to crank it.

Absolutely you can see live data in Diagbox, run the global scan, then double click on the engine ECU, then select the parameters (I think!) Option. There will be different sub options for various elements of the engine.
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Re: [2006] Peugeot 407 SW 2.0 HDi Cutting Out on Motorway

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Hell Razor5543 wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 22:39
How old is the battery? It is known that failing batteries can cause all sorts of weird glitches in PSA vehicles (although I have not heard of them happening while the car is running).
2018 according to the sticker. I thought the cold weather had killed it, but I noticed the lights were in the middle position, so maybe my mrs had left them on and that's what drained it (is it possible to leave the lights on with these?). Anyway, it seems fine after charging it over a day or so, but perhaps I'll take it into Kwik Fit for a free check.
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Re: [2006] Peugeot 407 SW 2.0 HDi Cutting Out on Motorway

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RichardW wrote:
14 Nov 2021, 23:40
A flat battery would certainly lead to many of those, particularly if you tried to crank it.

Absolutely you can see live data in Diagbox, run the global scan, then double click on the engine ECU, then select the parameters (I think!) Option. There will be different sub options for various elements of the engine.
Okay, thanks. Is the idea to monitor while driving it until it starts playing up? Can the data be recorded, or does it have to be checked there and then?

I'll probably have to get a different laptop as this one only last about a half hour on its battery!