09 C5 x7 2.0hdi Auto Driveshaft replacement

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09 C5 x7 2.0hdi Auto Driveshaft replacement

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Hi, Both side CV joints have become noisy recently, I am thinking of changing the entire driveshafts. Does the Auto box loose much oil when the shafts are pulled? Any tips or advice welcome.
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Re: 09 C5 x7 2.0hdi Auto Driveshaft replacement

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Are you absolutely sure it’s the driveshafts?

Are you getting a clunking when pulling away and braking, or when going over a pot hole or dip in the road?

I had this in the driver side and it was the lower bush on the Front Pivot Support, which I’ve highlighted in blue.

They don’t sell the bush separate, but these can be ordered for about a £10 and replaced. When on the 4 post lift, the mechanic could lever the pivot back and forward with a struggle, and we could then see the movement and here the clunk as it moved back and forward against the metal. So with the weight of the car on he road it was more pronounced.

If it’s not this and you are sure it’s the driveshaft, let me know if you want the replacement procedure. If so, pop your VIN up here for me.
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Re: 09 C5 x7 2.0hdi Auto Driveshaft replacement

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Hi Marc, I have a pronounced 'clack clack clack' when the wheels have a fair amount of 'turn' such as tee junctions and car parks. I am sure its CV joints, both sides too! Its a hydro car, I forgot to mention. The VIN VF7**************[VIN obfuscated, can be read by forum staff]
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Re: 09 C5 x7 2.0hdi Auto Driveshaft replacement

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Ok leave it with me for an hour and I’ll get then procedure up.

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Re: 09 C5 x7 2.0hdi Auto Driveshaft replacement

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It the car has the AM6 box the oil doesn't come out when the driveshafts are removed, the sealing arrangement is different to the older stuff.

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Re: 09 C5 x7 2.0hdi Auto Driveshaft replacement

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Jim66a wrote:
10 Mar 2019, 21:36
Hi, Both side CV joints have become noisy recently, I am thinking of changing the entire driveshafts. Does the Auto box loose much oil when the shafts are pulled? Any tips or advice welcome.
Jim
If you had a manual gearbox on the X7 , you would need to drain the gearbox, but not on an AM6 Auto.

Actually Jim, will you be doing this yourself or taking it to a garage? - as it will save me not having to type up the procedure if taking it to a garage to be done. :-D

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I will be doing this myself. I have changed driveshafts on several different cars, But never on a hydro Auto C5. Is it the usual bottom ball joint and track rod end to split or does it need more room? Also the support bearing. Does this unclamp or is it a tight fit?
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Make sure to loosen the LDS cap before lifting her up. This will help prevent the possibility of the reservoir rupturing from an overpressure issue. There are new stickers on this forum to help prevent this from happening;

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Re: 09 C5 x7 2.0hdi Auto Driveshaft replacement

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Jim66a wrote:
11 Mar 2019, 16:59
I will be doing this myself. I have changed driveshafts on several different cars, But never on a hydro Auto C5. Is it the usual bottom ball joint and track rod end to split or does it need more room? Also the support bearing. Does this unclamp or is it a tight fit?
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Righto, leave it with me and I’ll get the procedure up for you, that should detail everything you need to do the job,

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Re: 09 C5 x7 2.0hdi Auto Driveshaft replacement

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Jim, Here's the guide on doing the Driveshaft Operation on your C5 X7 with AM6. Note, if you don't have Diagbox to depressurise the hydraulic circuit, let me know - each axle can be manually depressurised independently using a valve - let me know if you need this info.

Citroen C5 (X7) 2.0 HDi 138 (DW10BTED4) with AM6 Auto Box Driveshaft Removal / Replacement Procedure

Tooling
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6310-T: Hub Immobilising Tool5707-T: Swivel Ball-Pin Extractor

Removing
Depressurise the hydraulic suspension circuit with the aid of a diagnostic tool (according to equipment).
  • Lift and support the vehicle with the wheels free. Ensure LDS Tank Cap is Removed First (To Reduce Risk of Tank Rupture when Lowered)
  • Remove the front wheels.
  • Remove the under engine protection.
A manual Gearbox would need to be drained at this point - but not required with the AM6 Auto Box.
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X7 Drive D.PNG
CAUTION: Never brake to slacken the drive shaft nut.

Fit the tool [6310-T].
Remove:
  • The pin (4)
  • The steel cage (3)
  • The drive shaft nut (2)
  • The tool [6310-T]
  • The bracket (1)
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X7 Drive F.PNG
Remove:
  • The anti-roll bar link rod (5)
  • The nut (8)
  • The mountings (7)
Uncouple the steering ball joint (6); Using tool [5707-T].

Left Hand Driveshaft
  • Release the LH driveshaft by pivoting the front half-axle upwards.
  • Remove the L.H. driveshaft.
Right Hand Driveshaft
  • Undo the 2 screws (9) of the RH driveshaft bearing.
  • Move aside the circlip (10) in the direction of the arrow "a".
  • Release the RH driveshaft by pivoting the front half-axle upwards.
  • Remove the right-hand drive shaft.
Refitting

CAUTION: Adhere to the tightening torques.

Tightening Torques:
VehiclesNutFront driveshaft bearing
CITROEN C5 (X7), (XW)32,5 daNm2 daNm


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Refit:
  • The drive shafts
  • The bolts (9)
  • The mountings (7)
  • The steering ball joint (6)
  • The nut (8)
  • The anti-roll bar link rod (5)
  • The nut (11)
  • The nut (12)
  • The bracket (1)
  • The driveshaft nuts (2)
  • The steel cage (3)
  • The pin (4)
  • The front wheels
  • The protective panel under the engine
Repressurise the hydraulic suspension circuit with the aid of a diagnostic tool (according to equipment).

Other Tightening Torques:
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X7 Drive Susp Torques B.PNG
ReferenceDesignationTightening torques
(1)Nut (Front anti-roll bar rod / Pivot support) (*)20,5 daNm
(2)Nut (Pivot upper ball-joint) (*)6 daNm
(3)Pivot upper ball-joint / Pivot support (*)20 daNm
(4)Bolt - Nut (Lower suspension arm / Pivot support) (*)7,5 daNm
(5)Nut (Front anti-roll bar rod / Front anti -roll bar) (*)5,5 daNm
ReferenceDesignationTightening torques
(6)Bolt (Front pivot lower ball-joint / Pivot support) (*)6,5 daNm
(7)Bolt (Front pivot lower ball-joint / Pivot support) (*)17 daNm
* CAUTION: The "Low Friction" bolts (or nuts) (1), (4), (5) are only for single use and must always be replaced. All re-use is prohibited (risk of breakage). The bolts (or nuts) removed must be thrown away.

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Re: 09 C5 x7 2.0hdi Auto Driveshaft replacement

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Thats Great Marc, Thank you for your time. If you could post up the depressureisation procedure using a valve, That would set me up to do the job. Does the system repressurise ok?
I need to make a hub holding tool too.
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Re: 09 C5 x7 2.0hdi Auto Driveshaft replacement

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I’ve just remembered that I did a recent post on the depressurisation procedure - which also includes the procedure to manually depressurise, so just read through this post, illustrated and follow just the relevant part, ignoring the rest as it is incorporated into another procedure for draining and refilling the hydraulic system :-D

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Re: 09 C5 x7 2.0hdi Auto Driveshaft replacement

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Just one last ask... Do you have part numbers for the Low friction bolts and nuts 1,4 and 5?
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Re: 09 C5 x7 2.0hdi Auto Driveshaft replacement

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I had a feeling that was coming 😃

Part no: 693684 lower ARB nut. (5)

Part no: 693665 (4)

Unfortunately, I cannot for the life of me find the nut for item (1), which actually secures the suspension strut to the lower pivot. As you can see, in the following parts diagrams, the whole Pivot support (B) does not show the nut fixing - but it can be seen on the strut diagram - only there is no nut sold separately, so I wonder if this is part of the strut ....

Have a check with the local dealer when you ask about the other part numbers. At least you can show him the diagram, and I’m sure he will be impressed that you have the info.

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Re: 09 C5 x7 2.0hdi Auto Driveshaft replacement

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It's part of the roll bar drop link, Marc:
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(MUL) FLANGED NUT
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