Retrofitting Flappy Paddles to a C5

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Retrofitting Flappy Paddles to a C5

Post by EDC5 » 21 Aug 2017, 22:29

I've always been a bit jealous of the EGS6 equipped C5's that have flappy paddles.

Is it possible to replace the standard "switching block remote control" as Citroen so eloquently put it with the one from a C5 with flappy paddles?

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These are the items in question.. It looks as if the paddles themselves are separate to the base unit so maybe the entire unit doesn't need replacing?

Of course this all depends on how the signal to shift gear is sent to the gearbox. From my investigations with Diagbox it seems like all the normal gear stick does (when in manual mode) is send a CAN command so presumably these paddles also send the same command?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-C4-PI ... SwHnFVjTV5

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I'm tempted to buy a pair here and see if they work out of the box..... what could possibly go wrong :rofl2:

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Re: Retrofitting Flappy Paddles to a C5

Post by GiveMeABreak » 22 Aug 2017, 00:04

I would suggest a big not on that one Ellis. These controls are designed for the manual gearbox control system - and different to the fully auto system you have. The software will no doubt be designed to work with the specific ECUs for the EGS gearbox and clutch actuator systems and not the AM6.

You've already got it easy with an auto, lucky so and so - what about a nose scratcher while you're at it? :-D

EDIT:
Just confirmed that the Steering Wheel gearbox switches do go directly to the Piloted Manual Gearbox ECU on the STOP START models.

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Re: Retrofitting Flappy Paddles to a C5

Post by EDC5 » 22 Aug 2017, 10:17

Thanks for checking that one regarding the wiring, If the paddle switches were wired back to the BSI then it might be possible, but if it's back to the gearbox ecu then obviously not.
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You've already got it easy with an auto, lucky so and so - what about a nose scratcher while you're at it? :-D



That would be lovely :lol: , was it yet another option that my car came without?

Yeah I must say that I don't regret getting the auto at all. I did my research beforehand and would only get an auto of the torque-converter type, especially after a test drive in a 308 EGS which felt like the clutch was being controlled by a drunk in addition to the revs shooting up when it decided to change gear.

I probably wouldn’t have got an auto if it wasn’t for the reputation of clutches / DMF failure and frankly the poor feedback from the gearstick that seems to plague PSA cars. I thought that the odds of a costly repair were equal for a auto or a manual with a Citroen :oops:

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Re: Retrofitting Flappy Paddles to a C5

Post by GiveMeABreak » 22 Aug 2017, 10:36

That was my thinking exactly when I was looking for my car - unfortunately, it took me ages to find the one with the specification I wanted and it just happened not to be an auto. If I had delayed I may have still been waiting! :roll:

I've had one gearbox refurbished on one of my Auto XMs and that at the time was a grand - clutch packs had gone so wouldn't drive at all. Got it done in Swansea. I have to say it never seemed right after that - the gear shift was a bit stiff and the gearbok a little harsh when going into drive. Not long after though, I had a write off accident with somone driving across the road in front of me - and I ended driving straight into the brick wall of the church.

Oh, well, could of been worse but would of saved me the cost of a hearse!

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Re: Retrofitting Flappy Paddles to a C5

Post by EDC5 » 22 Aug 2017, 11:07

GiveMeABreak wrote:
22 Aug 2017, 10:36
Oh, well, could of been worse but would of saved me the cost of a hearse!


Sorry for your misfortune, both with the automatic recon and the crash.. .but that line made me :rofl2:

How was the church after taking an XM? :P

Yeah, worst case scenario I'd buy a new box....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peugeot-5008- ... SwHHFY~11H

£550 for a box from a 25k mile model....
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Unfortunately, it took me ages to find the one with the specification I wanted and it just happened not to be an auto. If I had delayed I may have still been waiting! :roll:
Yeah, my ideal c5 would be the 3.0 HDi with 19" Adriatique alloys and the high res sat nav... but those are incredibly rare in low mileage form.

I'll be honest, I bought the first C5 I saw because it had everything I wanted, Auto, Hydractive and Exclusive trim in addition to [relatively] low mileage. But I must admit to being jealous of your light coloured interior and Sat-Nav radio... It's a disgrace that the Exclusive's didn't at least come with a colour screen in the middle :oops:

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Re: Retrofitting Flappy Paddles to a C5

Post by GiveMeABreak » 22 Aug 2017, 11:27

:-D
If I'd seen a 2.7 or 3.0 I probably would of had that also - then wept at the tax and insurance :shock:

I agree the actual standard audio head units on the X7 in general don't look up to much at all - their appearance is very basic and disappointing. When you compare the design of the rest of the car, the audio unit seems a step back to the 70s - I mean all that's missing is a Cassette slot!

The only thing with the Carlos Fandango 19" Adriatique wheels is that you also need Hydropneumatic cushions on the seats - a bit like this: watch the kid in white at the end :-D

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Re: Retrofitting Flappy Paddles to a C5

Post by EDC5 » 22 Aug 2017, 14:56

Yep, there are loads of 407 coupes 2.7 HDI that are effectively worthless due to their £500 per year car tax... it's just madness!

I agree... the exclusives should have come with something a bit better than the radio from a berlingo van.....

True, no amount of hydractive goodness will make 19" wheels with low profile tyres comfortable unfortunately.... pretty to look at though.

Out of interest, the very latest sat-navs fitted to the C5's were fully self contained, as in the screen unit was the headunit. is that the case?

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looks like a pretty nice upgrade 8-)

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Re: Retrofitting Flappy Paddles to a C5

Post by GiveMeABreak » 22 Aug 2017, 16:27

That's a SMEG unit (touchscreen) and can't be retro-fitted to earlier X7s (possibly pre 2013 -14 models) as it's a different CAN BUS system AFAIK. There is a similar issue with RNEG2 (RT6) units, that look the same but were made for the newer electronic architecture on later C5s.

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Re: Retrofitting Flappy Paddles to a C5

Post by Quackers » 22 Aug 2017, 16:50

EDC5 wrote:
22 Aug 2017, 11:07


Yeah, my ideal c5 would be the 3.0 HDi with 19" Adriatique alloys and the high res sat nav... but those are incredibly rare in low mileage form.

I'll be honest, I bought the first C5 I saw because it had everything I wanted, Auto, Hydractive and Exclusive trim in addition to [relatively] low mileage. But I must admit to being jealous of your light coloured interior and Sat-Nav radio... It's a disgrace that the Exclusive's didn't at least come with a colour screen in the middle :oops:


I think i own your dream car :-D 3.0 V6 HDI Exclusive, light/cream interior, with Satnav and 19" Alloys . I'm on 89,000 miles.
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Re: Retrofitting Flappy Paddles to a C5

Post by GiveMeABreak » 22 Aug 2017, 16:55

Let's all have a drool while you're at it!

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Re: Retrofitting Flappy Paddles to a C5

Post by EDC5 » 22 Aug 2017, 17:57

Quackers wrote:
22 Aug 2017, 16:50
EDC5 wrote:
22 Aug 2017, 11:07


Yeah, my ideal c5 would be the 3.0 HDi with 19" Adriatique alloys and the high res sat nav... but those are incredibly rare in low mileage form.

I'll be honest, I bought the first C5 I saw because it had everything I wanted, Auto, Hydractive and Exclusive trim in addition to [relatively] low mileage. But I must admit to being jealous of your light coloured interior and Sat-Nav radio... It's a disgrace that the Exclusive's didn't at least come with a colour screen in the middle :oops:


I think i own your dream car :-D 3.0 V6 HDI Exclusive, light/cream interior, with Satnav and 19" Alloys . I'm on 89,000 miles.

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Truly beautiful :drool: .... I forgot to mention the only other thing I wanted on my dream C5 is dual exhausts.... check :lol: