Flow divider XM / Xantia
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Flow divider XM / Xantia
Hi, I've dismantled the flow divider for cleaning and adding shims under springs. Along with that, I wanted to add all new O rings, even in the "magic bolt." Unfortunately, I wrongly marked the bolt with nut and now I do not know how to properly configure it. Can anyone advise me ?
Here: http://www.club-xm.co.uk/forum/viewtopi ... 31a3435f63 is pretty well described function, but not, how adjust it.
Here: http://www.club-xm.co.uk/forum/viewtopi ... 31a3435f63 is pretty well described function, but not, how adjust it.
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Re: Flow divider XM / Xantia
Hi there, that link you provide was written by my terrible self a few years ago and it covers investigations into the working of the FDV valve used in BX, XM and early Xantias with PAS.
I'm wondering if you are mistaking the FDV valve for the 'Pressure Regulator' (PRV) ? because the PRV has a bolt (12mm) to release the accumulator pressure but there is no 'bolt' in the FDV.
Graeme
I'm wondering if you are mistaking the FDV valve for the 'Pressure Regulator' (PRV) ? because the PRV has a bolt (12mm) to release the accumulator pressure but there is no 'bolt' in the FDV.
Graeme
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Re: Flow divider XM / Xantia
Definitely not here is pic of bolt that I have on mind:
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1968 ID19B 'Old Polly' Stellar white
1993 Xantia 1.9 TD SX Mk1 Sinker Silver
1992 XM 2.0 SEi Turbo Manual Anthracite Grey
1982 CX 20 Pallas 'Old Goldy'
1993 XM 2.1 SD Auto Light blue
1993 Xantia 1.9 TD SX Mk1 Sinker light Blue
1982 BX 16 TRS 'Cyril' Vallelunga Red
1995 Xantia 1.9 D SX Auto Dark green
1977 CX 2400 Pallas C-Matic 'Aphrodite' Regatta Blue
1982 GSA Pallas SE Silver Pearl
1980 CX 2000 Reflex Vallelunga Red
1978 CX 2400 Pallas C-Matic 'Prometheus' Midnight blue
1984 BX 14E 'Cecil the slugmobile' Maroon
1987 Fiat Panda 'the mighty panda' - x 98
Re: Flow divider XM / Xantia
Ah, I am with you now!
Not so much a bolt but I see what you mean. It is the screw used to adjust the power steering 'full lock' pressure to stop it spiking and causing the steering ram to over pressure.
I don't have the method to set it but I think the Citroen service manuals for this outline a method of connecting a pressure gauge to the PAS output from the FDV valve (the smallest of the pipes from the unit with the 9mm union nut) I think you turn the screw clockwise with the engine running and with the steering held at full lock until the pressure reaches something like 90-100bar. Then you lock the screw there.
Or maybe someone with a spare FDV could loosen the screw and count the number of turns to remove? I have a spare FDV I could look out in due course and measure the number of turns and report back. I think though, as a rule of thumb, setting the screw until it is level (flush) to the surface sets it in the general region to work properly. If anything, being a little too 'low' set will just make the PAS a bit heavier. If it's screwed in too far though it might cause it to over pressure at full steering lock.
So I think it'll work ok if you temporarily leave it screwed in flush to the surface because I think that is the minimum insertion as I've never seen one where this screw was left protruding.
Not certain if that really helps but it's a response!
Not so much a bolt but I see what you mean. It is the screw used to adjust the power steering 'full lock' pressure to stop it spiking and causing the steering ram to over pressure.
I don't have the method to set it but I think the Citroen service manuals for this outline a method of connecting a pressure gauge to the PAS output from the FDV valve (the smallest of the pipes from the unit with the 9mm union nut) I think you turn the screw clockwise with the engine running and with the steering held at full lock until the pressure reaches something like 90-100bar. Then you lock the screw there.
Or maybe someone with a spare FDV could loosen the screw and count the number of turns to remove? I have a spare FDV I could look out in due course and measure the number of turns and report back. I think though, as a rule of thumb, setting the screw until it is level (flush) to the surface sets it in the general region to work properly. If anything, being a little too 'low' set will just make the PAS a bit heavier. If it's screwed in too far though it might cause it to over pressure at full steering lock.
So I think it'll work ok if you temporarily leave it screwed in flush to the surface because I think that is the minimum insertion as I've never seen one where this screw was left protruding.
Not certain if that really helps but it's a response!
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1968 ID19B 'Old Polly' Stellar white
1993 Xantia 1.9 TD SX Mk1 Sinker Silver
1992 XM 2.0 SEi Turbo Manual Anthracite Grey
1982 CX 20 Pallas 'Old Goldy'
1993 XM 2.1 SD Auto Light blue
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1982 BX 16 TRS 'Cyril' Vallelunga Red
1995 Xantia 1.9 D SX Auto Dark green
1977 CX 2400 Pallas C-Matic 'Aphrodite' Regatta Blue
1982 GSA Pallas SE Silver Pearl
1980 CX 2000 Reflex Vallelunga Red
1978 CX 2400 Pallas C-Matic 'Prometheus' Midnight blue
1984 BX 14E 'Cecil the slugmobile' Maroon
1987 Fiat Panda 'the mighty panda' - x 98
Re: Flow divider XM / Xantia
I just noticed you have a 1993 Xantia 16valve 'sinker' - that is a really rare model!
I was also wondering why you had to add shims to the springs as I ony found that necessary on my two XMs. All of my 3 Xantias with FDV just seemed to work! Di you find that the FDV was making a long 'hsssss' noise that will not stop? And also the suspension takes too long to raise?
I was also wondering why you had to add shims to the springs as I ony found that necessary on my two XMs. All of my 3 Xantias with FDV just seemed to work! Di you find that the FDV was making a long 'hsssss' noise that will not stop? And also the suspension takes too long to raise?
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Re: Flow divider XM / Xantia
Thanks ! Yep it helps. That's what I'm asking
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Re: Flow divider XM / Xantia
aerodynamica wrote:I just noticed you have a 1993 Xantia 16valve 'sinker' - that is a really rare model!
Yep it is... ACAV variant.
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'Old Katy'
previous convictions: totaling 52litres of LHM in one go:
1968 ID19B 'Old Polly' Stellar white
1993 Xantia 1.9 TD SX Mk1 Sinker Silver
1992 XM 2.0 SEi Turbo Manual Anthracite Grey
1982 CX 20 Pallas 'Old Goldy'
1993 XM 2.1 SD Auto Light blue
1993 Xantia 1.9 TD SX Mk1 Sinker light Blue
1982 BX 16 TRS 'Cyril' Vallelunga Red
1995 Xantia 1.9 D SX Auto Dark green
1977 CX 2400 Pallas C-Matic 'Aphrodite' Regatta Blue
1982 GSA Pallas SE Silver Pearl
1980 CX 2000 Reflex Vallelunga Red
1978 CX 2400 Pallas C-Matic 'Prometheus' Midnight blue
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'Old Katy'
previous convictions: totaling 52litres of LHM in one go:
1968 ID19B 'Old Polly' Stellar white
1993 Xantia 1.9 TD SX Mk1 Sinker Silver
1992 XM 2.0 SEi Turbo Manual Anthracite Grey
1982 CX 20 Pallas 'Old Goldy'
1993 XM 2.1 SD Auto Light blue
1993 Xantia 1.9 TD SX Mk1 Sinker light Blue
1982 BX 16 TRS 'Cyril' Vallelunga Red
1995 Xantia 1.9 D SX Auto Dark green
1977 CX 2400 Pallas C-Matic 'Aphrodite' Regatta Blue
1982 GSA Pallas SE Silver Pearl
1980 CX 2000 Reflex Vallelunga Red
1978 CX 2400 Pallas C-Matic 'Prometheus' Midnight blue
1984 BX 14E 'Cecil the slugmobile' Maroon
1987 Fiat Panda 'the mighty panda' - x 98
Re: Flow divider XM / Xantia
I was also wondering why you had to add shims to the springs as I only found that necessary on my two XMs. All of my 3 Xantias with FDV just seemed to work! Did you find that the FDV was making a long 'hsssss' noise that will not stop? And also the suspension takes too long to raise?
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Re: Flow divider XM / Xantia
aerodynamica wrote:Pictures!!
yes please!
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Re: Flow divider XM / Xantia
aerodynamica wrote:I just noticed you have a 1993 Xantia 16valve 'sinker' - that is a really rare model!
I was also wondering why you had to add shims to the springs as I ony found that necessary on my two XMs. All of my 3 Xantias with FDV just seemed to work! Di you find that the FDV was making a long 'hsssss' noise that will not stop? And also the suspension takes too long to raise?
Both of it. Not too much, but "hisss" was significant during cold start and during ride on idle. Also, the engine was on GR, so if it was removed, what not do some "renovation"
I'll find some pictures what I have and I'll post it here
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'Old Katy'
previous convictions: totaling 52litres of LHM in one go:
1968 ID19B 'Old Polly' Stellar white
1993 Xantia 1.9 TD SX Mk1 Sinker Silver
1992 XM 2.0 SEi Turbo Manual Anthracite Grey
1982 CX 20 Pallas 'Old Goldy'
1993 XM 2.1 SD Auto Light blue
1993 Xantia 1.9 TD SX Mk1 Sinker light Blue
1982 BX 16 TRS 'Cyril' Vallelunga Red
1995 Xantia 1.9 D SX Auto Dark green
1977 CX 2400 Pallas C-Matic 'Aphrodite' Regatta Blue
1982 GSA Pallas SE Silver Pearl
1980 CX 2000 Reflex Vallelunga Red
1978 CX 2400 Pallas C-Matic 'Prometheus' Midnight blue
1984 BX 14E 'Cecil the slugmobile' Maroon
1987 Fiat Panda 'the mighty panda' - x 98
Re: Flow divider XM / Xantia
ekjdm14 wrote:aerodynamica wrote:Pictures!!
yes please!
I meant: Pictures of your Xantia please!! haha I am an enthusiast of early Xantias!
All in good time though. Chat soon!
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Re: Flow divider XM / Xantia
Here are some pics of my RFY Xantia
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Re: Flow divider XM / Xantia
For some reason the image links you are using are not compatible with this board, but I have edited one above so that it works: Go to you image hosting site and find the bbcode link for the image, but only paste into this forum the part between [img]xxxxxxx[/img] Then they work, I left the others for you to edit.
Re: Flow divider XM / Xantia
xantia_v6 wrote:For some reason the image links you are using are not compatible with this board, but I have edited one above so that it works: Go to you image hosting site and find the bbcode link for the image, but only paste into this forum the part between [img]xxxxxxx[/img] Then they work, I left the others for you to edit.
Thanks, it's now corrected
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