xsara 1.4hdi engine - 206 1.4hdi engine swap

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xsara 1.4hdi engine - 206 1.4hdi engine swap

Post by xsaras4ever » 15 Nov 2016, 10:15

Hello to all,

we recently purchased a Xsara 1.4hdi ph2 estate, engine seized. Its a 70cv engine.

We assume that the Peugeot 206 1.4hdi engine is the same , are we correct.

The rocker cover and timing cover look different, but we can swap those around.

Any experts out there, please ?

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Re: xsara 1.4hdi engine - 206 1.4hdi engine swap

Post by RichardW » 15 Nov 2016, 13:03

I don't think the Xsara was available with the DV series engines - at least not in the UK. Are you sure about what you have bought? Post up the VIN and we can check.

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Re: xsara 1.4hdi engine - 206 1.4hdi engine swap

Post by xsaras4ever » 15 Nov 2016, 13:18

Hi Richard and thanks for the reply.
Yep, its definitely a 1.4hdi , checked it visually in the car and with the VIN number on CITROEN SERVICE.
Came as a bit of a surprise to us too.
But the car was mega cheap (100euros) and its 100% complete. Plus its a Phase 2 and an estate which is our preferred variant.

Yes , its LHD.

We were thinking that at 70cv its under-powered, but the DW8 1.9D and the XUD 1.9D come in at between 68cv and 70cv, so it will not greatly embarrass itself when it gets rolling.

Do you know of a guide to the engine codes on this , such as 8HX, 8HZ etc ?

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Re: xsara 1.4hdi engine - 206 1.4hdi engine swap

Post by xsaras4ever » 15 Nov 2016, 13:20

Hello again, just found from our VIN that it's an 8HZ Doh.............

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Re: xsara 1.4hdi engine - 206 1.4hdi engine swap

Post by wheeler » 18 Nov 2016, 11:14

RichardW wrote:I don't think the Xsara was available with the DV series engines - at least not in the UK. Are you sure about what you have bought? Post up the VIN and we can check.
The DV4 was available in the UK Xsara's near the end of production, very rare though. If I remember right they were de tuned down to 70 bhp to get into a very low company car tax bracket.
The DV4's were available in 8v & 16v with different injection systems. I believe only the 8v unit was ever put into the Xsara though.

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Re: xsara 1.4hdi engine - 206 1.4hdi engine swap

Post by xsaras4ever » 18 Nov 2016, 12:12

Thanks Wheeler,

we have sourced a 8HZ engine - when we do the swap do we just have to re-code the keys with LEXIA, or is there more to do ?

The way our LEXIA works, its tempting to swap the pump and injectors when we do the timing belt on the donor - that way it thinks its the original setup ......


Yep , our Xsara is supposed to be 70bhp and an 8v. Wouldn't mind a few more bhp (10 or so) but not to risk the engine. Any ideas ?

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Re: xsara 1.4hdi engine - 206 1.4hdi engine swap

Post by wheeler » 19 Nov 2016, 08:08

Cant you just use your original ecu ? If not then im afraid theres a bit more to it that re coding keys, the ECU, BSI & transponder chips are all a matched set & they cant be re coded to another car (well not with Lexia anyway).
You ideally want the BSI & keys of the car the engine is from.
There are companies out there that can wipe ECU's & BSI's to allow them to be re coded to another car or remove the immobiliser function from them.

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Re: xsara 1.4hdi engine - 206 1.4hdi engine swap

Post by xsaras4ever » 20 Nov 2016, 20:42

Hello Wheeler and thanks for the post.

Yes , we aim to re-use all the original Xsara electrics.

But if we use the injection pump from the replacement engine - then we guess we will get a key symbol lit on the dashboard.

Do you know if we have to swap the pump, common rail and injectors from the original to the replacement, or just the pump - to con the electrics into thinking that nothing has been changed ?

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Re: xsara 1.4hdi engine - 206 1.4hdi engine swap

Post by RichardW » 20 Nov 2016, 21:06

There's no need to swap the pumps - all the intelligence in later cars is held in the ECU. As long as you re-use the ECU from the Xsara it will be fine.

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Re: xsara 1.4hdi engine - 206 1.4hdi engine swap

Post by xsaras4ever » 28 Nov 2016, 22:27

Hello to all.
Original engine and box now out.

The donor is from a C3 - different pump - rail and flywheel.

When turning the donor and locking the flywheel , the cam sprocket is always approx 4 teeth out.

When we removed the flywheel of the original we noticed that there is no dowel to place it correctly and all the bolts are evenly spaced - you can put it back wherever you wish ??? Maybe this explains the timing issue on the C3 motor ????

On the original , a glowplug had shattered , dropped into the bore and caused havoc. One injector had been hit with such force that the 13mm bolt which holds it in place had snapped and the injector had popped upwards.

Any ideas on the timing issue ?

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Re: xsara 1.4hdi engine - 206 1.4hdi engine swap

Post by xsaras4ever » 13 Dec 2016, 13:04

Hello to all , engine now back in.

Original pump , ecu etc.

Will not start.

This model does has 4 wires to the in-tank pump but only 2 spades on the pump - so its only a fuel filter and fuel gauge really.

The primer bulb is the plastic type (as in the Renaults) and its pants.

We have used an electric pump to get fuel up the lines , through the diesel filter and up to the injection pump.

Our Lexia is out at the moment , any other ideas ?

When turning ignition on, we do not have 12v arriving at the glowplugs and when cranking , fuel dribbles/flows out of the back of the injection pump (as opposed to shoots....)

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Re: xsara 1.4hdi engine - 206 1.4hdi engine swap

Post by RichardW » 13 Dec 2016, 17:42

Can't see you will get anywhere without getting it on a Lexia and checking the live data. Worth checking all the connections though to check you've not missed something obvious like the cam sensor.

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Re: xsara 1.4hdi engine - 206 1.4hdi engine swap

Post by xsaras4ever » 13 Dec 2016, 18:49

Hello again , Lexia has returned home.

Dialogue with BSI - Permanent Fault - FRH Lock.

Patchy Dialogue with Injection ECU - coz our Lexia is pants.

Faults Present - Cleared Faults Successfully.

Cranked Engine - No Start.

Checked Faults

1.) Permanent Fault - Low fuel information - Short circuit to ....

Fault Code : P0460

2.) Permanent Fault - Preheating relay circuit - plugs permanently supplied

Fault Code : P1351

3.) Permanent Fault - flowmeter short circuit to earth

Fault Code : P0102


That Glow-plug one is worrying - we think that in the hands of the previous owner the engine seized because the bottom dropped off a glowplug and the piston didn't like it. Does that fault imply that the glow-plugs are always on ?

As usual , any help greatly appreciated.

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Re: xsara 1.4hdi engine - 206 1.4hdi engine swap

Post by RichardW » 13 Dec 2016, 21:03

I don't think any of those will stop it starting. Does it show the cranking speed? Does it say Cam/Crank synchronised? What does it say the fuel pressure is when cranking?

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Re: xsara 1.4hdi engine - 206 1.4hdi engine swap

Post by xsaras4ever » 14 Dec 2016, 17:28

Hello Richard and thank you for that.

This doesn't look good on the rail pressure.......

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