exciting new 3.0hdi

citrov6 · Post by **citrov6** » 23 Aug 2009, 19:15

http://paultan.org/2009/06/16/citroens- ... d-thirsty/

just happened on this. since jag has got their 3.0tdi XF which turned out way better in fuel economy and output than the 2.7tdi they and citroen are using, problem was i think it was longitudinally setup for rear wheel drive cars.

now it looks like citroen will have a 240bhp 3.0hdi in their c5 and c6, which will put it right up there in the usual german bmw, audi mercedes marques everyone is after, which may make it the most powerful citroen from the factory ever?

think i'll be waiting a little longer past the 2.7tdi c6 if this makes an appearance , looks worth it though.

Toby_HDi · Post by **Toby_HDi** » 23 Aug 2009, 19:38

240bhp from a 3.0 diesel?!

What will the torque be like?

My 3.0 Omega which is petrol only manages 210bhp

Xaccers · Post by **Xaccers** » 23 Aug 2009, 20:04

where's Jim? time for a conversion?

Post by **xantia_v6** » 23 Aug 2009, 20:44

Once you are turbocharging or superchargng an engine, there is no real limit on the power available from a given capacity. Getting that power with good economy, however is a more difficult trick.

This engine must be near the limit of torque that you can usefully drive through just the front wheels.

andmcit · Post by **andmcit** » 23 Aug 2009, 20:50

Wikipedia wrote:Lion V6
The Jaguar AJD-V6 engine in a 2006 Jaguar XJ.

The V6 utilizes a 60° V configuration. Output is 147 to 152 kW (200 to 207 hp ECE) and up to 440 Nm (325 ft.lbf).

The Land Rover version of the engine (dubbed the TDV6) has a single turbocharger, of a larger capacity than the twin-turbo design. This is to improve the engine's low-speed torque range for off-road and towing applications. It is also fitted with a very large, engine driven cooling fan to support low speed, but high load driving such as those that may be encountered in desert conditions. Other changes made to the Land Rover version of the engine over the Jaguar/Peugeot versions include a deeper high-capacity sump with improved baffles to maintain oil pressure at extreme off-road angles and multi-layered external seals to keep out dust, mud and water.

The engine is a member of the Ford Duratorq family of engines and is produced in Ford's Dagenham engine plant. 35,000 were produced from April through the end of 2004.

Applications

* 2004 Jaguar S-Type
* 2005 Land Rover Discovery
* 2005 Land Rover Range Rover Sport
* 2005 Peugeot 607
* 2005 Peugeot 407 coupé
* 2006 Peugeot 407
* 2006 Jaguar XJ
* 2006 Citroën C6
* 2007 Jaguar XF
* 2008 Citroën C5
* 2010/11 Ford Territory (future model)

Lion V8

See also Ford 4.4 Turbo Diesel

The 3.6 L V8 is built at Dagenham Engine Plant by Ford of Europe.
It is a twin-turbocharged Diesel V8 producing 272 PS (268 hp/200 kW) and 640 N·m (472 ft·lbf). Production began in April 2006.

Much speculation in the United States has focused on this engine as a possible Diesel entrant in the F-150 pickup truck and Expedition SUV.[1] It was announced that the new F150 engine will be based on this engine and enlarged to 4.4L. The Cleveland Engine plant recently began small-scale production of the exotic compacted graphite iron (CGI) used in the block's construction, leading many to expect production of the engine there.

Applications

* 2007 Land Rover Range Rover
* 2007 Land Rover Range Rover Sport

So it's not really a Citroen HDi diesel?

Andrew

citrov6 · Post by **citrov6** » 23 Aug 2009, 21:20

well i don't know. in that article it says hdi, and that it will be produced to factory fit in citroens.
but likely it is a collaboration, just as the 2.7 twin turbo diesel was with ford/jaguar.
either way i will be pleased to have a diesel citroen that can shift equally well as german diesels

can you imagine a 3.0hdi activa

its on citroen.co.uk already alongside the 2.7, 2.2 diesel motors. looks like they have limited torque , but brought it down even further

2.7L 440Nm@1900rpm
3.0L 450Nm@1600rpm

http://www.citroen.co.uk/new-cars/citro ... fications/

Post by **CitroJim** » 23 Aug 2009, 21:35

Xac wrote:where's Jim? time for a conversion?

Don't tempt me

I wonder if it would replace a 2.1TD?

Now that would be a real sleeper, a 3.0 V6 Hdi Estate

Stempy · Post by **Stempy** » 23 Aug 2009, 22:30

I don't care how many horse powers and torques it's got, it's still a stinky old diesel and should be in a tractor.

Tell me when Ferrari make a diesel and I'll give up driving....

And I don't understand how an alternator with brake force recovery would be of any benefit. I thought that was something for hybrid cars.

KP · Post by KP » 24 Aug 2009, 08:09

Just imagine that after it had a better FMIC fitted and an ECU remap, push on for 500nm torque maybe more?? the 2.2hdi chipped well from 138bhp to over 180bhp in most cases and they couldn't half shift... I would if the deeper oil sump is a direct bolt on, would be good to use on the C6 for people who like to carry speed through corners....

hmmmm Jim when you offering this as a conversion package

Xaccers · Post by **Xaccers** » 24 Aug 2009, 09:14

Hang on, isn't speed in the C6 and corners a bad mix?
Most test drives I've seen of it suggest the powersteering practically dies at high speed.

Trainman · Post by **Trainman** » 24 Aug 2009, 09:29

Okay, Time for me to chip in a little, I can only speak for myself here so please allow for an amatuer. I travel daily between Preston and Warrington and there is an excellent place to test road holding and handling as you come off the M65 at the Preston end, There is sharp right hand bend which then goes straight into a sharp left, the speed limit over that piece is 50mph, The C5 I had struggled to go round them both at 35 but the C6 just seems to love it. I have been through there at 45 and yes the steering does tighten up but actually it's a good things because it actually feels more positive.

A friend of ours has a BMW 850Ci and he tells me that his will thake it a 50 if he pushes it.

Oh, and just for info there is a VSOA inspection centre there as well so 'the boys in blue' alomost live there.

citrov6 · Post by **citrov6** » 25 Aug 2009, 16:30

the c6 has had good reviews in cornering, maybe it has a faster processor and hydraulics to suit? in any case i am looking forward to the day i get one

45mph for a diesel is good, an 850 petrol motor has far better engine and supposedly chassis balance characteristics to corner well and should pull out atleast that much more speed

Post by **myglaren** » 29 Aug 2009, 10:15

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