C5 II 2.2HDI 173 EGR woes, maby fixed

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C5 II 2.2HDI 173 EGR woes, maby fixed

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Thought this might be interesting, i first wrote it on a Swedish forum and i translated it with google. Spell checked as good as i can


Had some bad luck on my vacation, after the car was parked for a week at my grandmother's while I went down to Stockholm to fix/service her Renault scenic.
Then the car went like a bag of nuts when I turned onto the B-road, had to turn back.
Reading with my Thinkcar dongle gave these error codes: (corrected for PSA language, thanks Habbe)

P0489 Electric EGR valve position copy signal : Opening of the valve too great

P1459 Electric EGR valve position copy signal : EGR valve confirmed jammed closed

P1728 CAN communication : Torque information not valid. Accelerator pedal signal absent
P0490 Electric EGR valve position copy signal : Insufficient opening of the valve
P1162 Electric EGR valve position copy signal : Valve jammed during driving

Recurring after deletion
P1161 Mixer butterfly position copy signal : Butterfly jammed while driving
P2111 Mixer butterfly position copy signal : Butterfly stuck during post operation

"Shot from the hip" and guessed tired EGR, it has been on there for at least 20k miles (car has 45)
Ordered a new EGR from a local auto parts company, 3500kr until the next day is still OK when the mechanic took 5000

Started dismantling, but felt that it was a bit much to do in a flat garage..
Remembered the classic Mcgyver solution, block the EGR pipe with a piece of a coke can!
Went up and stole a can from the deposit bag and a pair of scissors, made double layers just in case :mrgreen:

Wentt out for a test drive, now the car ran fine but with a check engine light! Oh well, that'll do.

Then it ran fine for the remaining 2400km on vacation, mostly with the check engine light off. But the ESP light usually comes on because of error codes in the engine computer, it put an error code that it can't regulate engine torque..

Today I replaced the EGR which went pretty well except for a nasty exhaust leak from the pipe between the manifold and the EGR cooler.
Now it put another error code :evil: P0406 Electric EGR valve position copy signal : voltage too high

But I deleted it and the car ran fine without a check engine light for the twenty minute drive home..
Put it away because of the exhaust leak and took Xantian instead

So the replacement then? There is no description on the Service box.

You need to remove the Commonrail, loosen the injector pipes, the vacuum pipes (three next to the EGR pipe and one at the timing belt cover) and the hoses for the crankcase ventilation. To remove the "valve cover" with the crankcase ventilation built in, after this you have quite good access to the EGR package with cooler and valve. Then you can remove the EGR pipe. On mine, the package was with two nuts and a screw and the clamp against the manifold, I had to unscrew the stud bolt that was on top of the valve. It has a torx socket but it worked with a 4mm socket. The lower screw on the valve only needs to be loosened a little as the mounting hole is U-shaped. Then it is quite clear how it is connected.

The hard part is getting the new clamp to the EGR cooler in place, the old one could not be used but the snap-on attachment did not hold tightly.
It took about 1 hour to get the new one screwed in and it still didn't hold tight, but I think it might be the pipe between the EGR cooler and the manifold that cracked.

Tools needed:
A good tool kit
A 1/4" bit socket
5mm hex bit with ball
Inspection mirror
A good headlamp is a good idea
WD40 or similar
Silicone spray
A good polygrip
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Re: C5 II 2.2HDI 173 EGR woes, maby fixed

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Well done getting that sorted and doing the write-up (with pics) that's great!
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Re: C5 II 2.2HDI 173 EGR woes, maby fixed

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Update:
The P0406 code is permanent, and it doesn't matter if the EGR is plugged in or not.
So it seems like it doesn't "see" the new EGR #-o

The ECU could "communicate" with the old EGR, so why not with the new one?

Doubt it is the wires, but i'm going to check it anyway and if it is fused
Connectror looks good in both ends

Anyone had a duff new EGR?
I have various repair handbooks and wiring diagrams for C5 mk1, Xantia, XM, Berlingo and C3 mk1.
I have Lexia/Diagbox (Sweden) and Servicebox/sedre
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What brand was the new EGR?
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CX DTR T2 Safari (silver)
2x '96 Xantia Activa (Black & met. green)
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wurlycorner wrote: 06 Jul 2025, 12:43 What brand was the new EGR?
It was from NRF

Now i have ordered a Pierburg unit, same as the old OEM one that has been on there for 290k miles before it failed.
I have various repair handbooks and wiring diagrams for C5 mk1, Xantia, XM, Berlingo and C3 mk1.
I have Lexia/Diagbox (Sweden) and Servicebox/sedre
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A new Pierburg EGR seem to have solved the problem :-D


Got a reply in a Swedish forum from someone having the same issue/faultcode on a 2.2HDI C-crosser. I.e the same engine but single turbo. His was branded Delphi.

Maby the same supplier that has had a bad batch?
I have various repair handbooks and wiring diagrams for C5 mk1, Xantia, XM, Berlingo and C3 mk1.
I have Lexia/Diagbox (Sweden) and Servicebox/sedre
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Delphi stuff is hit/miss in my experience.
Different engine (DW10ATED) but when I replaced my EGR on that, I opted for Pierberg also and had no issues.
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2x '85 CX GTi Turbo s2 t1 (met. silver & grey)
'88 CX GTi Turbo s2 T2 (met. light blue)
CX DTR T2 Safari (silver)
2x '96 Xantia Activa (Black & met. green)
'01 C5 2.0 HDi LX Estate (Blue)
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It may not be so now but I met a French girl in Brussels who worked for Delphi in France.
She had had to learn good English as she dealt with their owner/supplier. GM in America.
All their bits came from the US.