Hydraulic Leak 2.0HDi Xantia - STUPID QUESTION

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Re: Hydraulic Leak 2.0HDi Xantia - STUPID QUESTION

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Rhothgar wrote: 31 Mar 2023, 19:09 Something for the weekend, Sir!

For your delectation, guys.

The bracket which holds it to the rear seat downstand has peened cap heads. Cannot be bother to do them tonight. Just want to get the pipe on.
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Forget the car....make MOONSHINE with that
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Stickyfinger wrote: 01 Apr 2023, 08:16
Forget the car....make MOONSHINE with that
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Have you ever had moonshine, Alasdair?

A friend of mine Virginia makes it at his home (farm).

It’s pretty potent…
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Ohhhh yes.....if I remember correctly, it is a bit of a blurrrrrrr :)
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Have you ever tried Irish Potcheen, many years ago a neighbour was on a course in NI and 'aquired' some.

It was good stuff and went done well until i tried to walk and the legs would not work. Had to crawl to bed but woke up in the morning with no hangover. Remarkable stuff amazing what else it can be used for !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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GiveMeABreak wrote: 27 Mar 2023, 16:31
Return Piping

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Only (3) 5270R2 & (4) 5270R3 available.
That Part 8 length was bob-on Marc. Really strange routing so thanks for that. Rear pipe now done.

OK. I know it’s NFP but please can I have part number for Item 2 on Brake Return Piping Avec ABR and any other information it gives please.

Ended up cutting the other return and despite me hearing a hissing noise when I pressurised the relevant pipe, that pipe after having cut been is 100% pressure secure so it can only be that hard plastic pipe that has failed.

Fingers crossed it is and I don’t end up trashing another good pipe.

Trying to avoid replacing all the 5 metals pipes if I can help it.

Thanks in advance.
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Item (2), part: 5270Y4 (same for vehicles with / without ABS), DIAM 4,5X6. (NFP).
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KennyW wrote: 01 Apr 2023, 15:46 Have you ever tried Irish Potcheen
I may well have once, long ago, Kenny but it is essentially the same thing. Both are made from potatoes I believe.
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Well. The car has got a new MOT but I still have pipes to replace.

The airbag came on but I said it was probably the connectors below the seats. When I got back, cleared the codes and disconnected the under seat connectors a few times and code didn’t reappear. Is there a more permanent fix for this issue? The connectors are NOT clipped to where they should be and it leaves me wondering if hitting speed bumps causes them to tap against the seat lever and then disturb the connection. Would cable-tying the halves together help?

I spotted a fair few pipes that are rusted and need to be replaced so I have decided it would be best to drop the rear subframe.

One issue I still have is the dogbone keeps in clipping! I’ve put a cable tie lightly snugged up to it for now. It doesn’t look split. Perhaps it is worn internally. I’d doubt the metal ball it connects to is worn as opposed to the plastic.

I am going to replace a few pipes on Thursday otherwise the car will be broken down at the side of the road before now have no sprung a leak or two.

Jay’s tool does a nice little job of forming the flare. This was a test flare using the position marked on the die. In the end, I moved the pipe past the mark to get a wider flare at 5mm. However, the marked V position gives about 4.25mm diameter which is sufficient to get enough purchase from the nut and draw the pipe into the union.

More photos to follow when I do another pipe on Thursday.
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Finding the low pressure return pipe leak was a palaver. Disconnected the 5270R6 return pipe, that comes from the doseur, at the reservoir. Clamped off before the doseur and the pipe to the ABS and then pressurised the pipe.

I could clearly hear a hissing in the vicinity of the coolant preheater. Cut the pipe and then tested the cut pipe. It was pressure sound!!!! So I had just cut a perfectly original return pipe so had to make that good. Can only surmise that my mate was not clamping the other end very tightly and the pressurised air was going through the doseur and back through the hard plastic 5270Y4 pipe!

Made the rubber return good with about 7/32” copper. Needed to clamp the new clips fairly tight to seal it.

Used 6mm rubber fuel hose SAE J30R6 spec for bridging the gap created by the piece of hard thermoplastic pipe I had cut out.

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You can see where this had very probably touched the coolant preheater and melted.
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I have a video, some may recall, of the coolant preheater smoking last year. Interestingly, the first video I took of it was the same day as the car failed its MOT last year except it was later in the day that I took it so the issue wasn’t picked up because it didn’t happen prior to the test the second video I took was one day before the retest.

So the pipe had become damaged but I imagine the LHM leak was so slow that it didn’t have time to fill the recess on the bulkhead and then overflow the lip and down the bulkhead! WHAT ARE THE CHANCES?

Here are some photos of some of the pipes requiring attention.

I think I will do the worst. I’ll probably really go at them with 120 sandpaper and see what gives and do those. I’ll leave anything that doesn’t give until I can drop the rear subframe.
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Good work there Roger!! Well done re the MOT too. As for the underseat connector I had the same issue with a Megane CC and tried many cleaning methods, clamping plans including the cable tie you suggested, and all to no avail. In the end I left the connector in place and one by one bridged it with soldered 'straps' over the connector rendering it irrelevant. No more trouble after that!! :)
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Congrats on the MOT buddy! I'm not needing the tool back urgently, so take your time, get the rest of your pipes done, and ping me a text if you remember what the other tool that you were going to speak to me about.
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Link to the sub-frame lowering rods method.

M12/1.5

https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/ ... start=2355
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Excellent news on the MoT Roger :)

I'm absolutely delighted :D
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The air bag light might be the circle connection on the steering wheel. Mine was, warning light was intermittent and driving me nuts.
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Jaf wrote: 05 Apr 2023, 21:11 The air bag light might be the circle connection on the steering wheel. Mine was, warning light was intermittent and driving me nuts.
Thank you. I’ll bare that in mind.
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Good morning Marc,

I have taken the decision to renew some metal pipework over the course of this weekend and the remainder over the summer. I'll probably be renewing the return lower pressure and some of the bigger returns too that can only be done with the engine out (that'll be subject to another post at some point when I have time to get my head around it).

To this end, I also need any suspension supply pipe diagrams that cover the rear and in-between as you kindly provided the front suspension diagrams.

Please can I have the following part numbers, pipe lengths and diameters (basically all information that is available from the Citroen data):-

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In accordance with your request, here are the diagram references. I've also put each on a new line so you can easily add the requested information if that helps you:-

DIAG (A) Power Steering
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DIAG (C) Front Suspension Supply
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DIAG (D) Front Suspension Return Piping
I am only interested in lengths, diameters and part numbers if they are metal (for the purposes of calculating how much cunifer I am going to need). If it is easier to just copy and paste screenshots of all fiche information IN EVERY CASE of this request ie brakes, suspension and steering, please feel free to do that as it will probably be quicker for you to do that. After all, the rubber pipe will need replacing at some point in the near future.

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