1995 Pug 306 - light(ish) restoration

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1995 Pug 306 - light(ish) restoration

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Hi everyone,

A few of you will have seen my tales of inevitable serious wheel arch rot on my 1995 306 XLd in the Peugeot section of the forum. As it turned from advice in to a general progress update, I have decided to create a new thread with general progress and updates whilst I carry out what I would consider to be light restoration.
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So, from the top for those who aren't aware, the story of how I came to own and then repair this car wasn't smooth riding. A couple of months or so ago, I was scrolling through Facebook and a post from Albert Looms scrap yard in Derby appeared in my news feed. They often update on anything unusual they have in for breaking amongst the sea of s**t like Fiestas and Micras, and sometimes they advertise cars for sale, normally ones that have been presented to them but are considered to good to crush. I usually have a quick look, think "that will be good for someone" and leave it at that. Then this post appeared with a very tidy looking N registered Peugeot 306 diesel. Something stood out about it and there was something I just really liked about it.

I did wonder about buying, but as things do, I forgot all about it. Until a few weeks later, when I needed to visit their yard to pick up some bits for a Volvo C70 I had in to sell on. As I walked through the gates on a typically British autumn morning of grey overcast and drizzle, I was absolutely astounded to see that same 306 was still there, a splash of colour. Even with all the leaves on it, I was drawn to it. I couldn't help but look around it and asked for the keys. I followed my heart quite quickly and perhaps didn't instantly follow my head like I should have done. Off I went to find Volvo parts. Come back to the weighbridge and on a very much spur of the moment decision, I agreed to buy. It had recently had an MOT fail, just for an exhaust leak, and apparently an old boy had brought it in as he was giving up driving, which seemed reasonable enough. Nice easy repair, MOT and done... so I thought.

I caught the bus a few days later and went to pick up my new 306. Absolutely beaming I really enjoyed the half hour drive back to Nottingham where I had arranged for Mr Tyre on Castle Boulevard to do a fix on the exhaust for me. As a side note, these guys are excellent and they have a welder who is very skilled and has sorted me out a few times on older cars with exhaust problems and hasn't just tried to sell me a new exhaust. I left it with them for an hour or so, and £70 later the exhaust had gone back to sounding like a normal tractor and not a tractor without a silencer...
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On the ramp at Mr Tyre in Nottingham having some attention to the exhaust issue

Booked it in for an MOT at the only location which had slots available the same day locally. Somewhere I hadn't used before, but they are a chain... not naming names for now! I left it with them and headed to work.

An hour or so later, my car world briefly fell and shattered. I got the phone call... "So, it's failed. Badly."

Being rather surprised at this sudden event I hurriedly went down to see what the fuss was about, as I couldn't believe they were serious. But sure enough, you could see the inertia reel of the seatbelt through the wheel arch when you knelt down and looked up with a torch. Absolutely shocking that the previous MOT tester (before I owned the car) would have overlooked this. I paid for the test and took the car away to where I work (a garage, but we do buses). When I finished that evening, I had a look underneath and realised we had gone from one extreme to another. The first test station must have had blacked out goggles on when inspecting, and the second test station seemed to have gone overboard and seen pound signs flashing. An absolute joke of a list of advisories and several fail items that were totally unjust.
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Definitely a reason for failure here though! After I had stripped the interior trim. Could clearly see the hole from underneath though.

I went on holiday for a week and pondered. I decided the best course of action was to get it repaired. I was not going to be defeated so easily, but at the same time I have too much other work on to do the job myself. I contacted a local independent workshop who took it in, agreed a plan of attack for the wheel arch then said their tester (off site) would give it a fresh MOT none the wiser about its previous failures and we can carry on from there. After the arch was repaired, she had another test and amazingly the list had gone from 9 failures and 15(!) advisories, down to 3 failures and 0 advisories! We agreed to fabricate a new section for where the bump stop is supposed to sit on the NSR as that area was totally non existent, and they set to work also on repairing the front jacking points which the previous owners' wonderful* repair and MOT centre had repaired with plates, wood screws and tiger seal.

A lot of time and money later, and she has passed with no advisories, and hopefully this will be the case next time around too. Absolutely loved driving it so far, it is dog slow and has few creature comforts but it is absolutely solid 90s motoring.
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Wasted no time in doing an oil change, as unfortunately I have no service history. Easiest oil change I have ever done though, very very easy filter to change! Genuine PSA filter and Total Quartz now onboard.

I am now in the process of sorting some other bits out with the aim of restoring it closely to how it would have been from the factory. New replica dealer number plates and dealer stickers have been ordered! In the short term however, it does need a clutch as it is starting to slip a fair bit.

Sorry for droning on, but I'm sure I will have more updates soon for those who wish to follow!
Cheers,
Miles

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That's absolute magic and an awesome first blog post on this car :D Very much looking forward to reading of your and her further adventures ;)
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Good to see!

If you don't know the history, get the cambelt changed pronto, if it fails it will write the head off, and they're not exactly ten a penny these days!
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Good idea starting more of a blog type post for the story going forward.

Is 5W30 a bit thin? Am sure my XUD9TE was on thicker 10W40 semi synthetic.

I did the clutch on mine, was a "pull type" which is a bit if a faff (getting the "fingers" of the clutch release fork engaged with the release bearing slots - fiddly and not helped by needing to riddle the ~30kg ish gearbox about whilst aligning something inside the bellhousing that you can't really see!
Was 164 thousand miles covered on mine, original clutch and to my surprise wasn't down to the rivets!

Cambelt - definitely a good idea and not a bad job to do. Timing pins are M8 bolts and have threaded holes in head / injection pump bracket to screw into = perfect!

A good project, I think it's the 5 door and non-turbo aspects that meant it languished in that yard.
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I am very much an advocate for saving the "typical" or run of the mill, as in years to come when there are only a handful left, people end up loving whatever it is even if there were ten a penny back when new - the same goes with trains which I am also interested in, people ignore the ordinary until it is gone! For this reason the 5 door aspect doesn't put me off, but that's a very good point I hadn't considered.

I was also surprised at 5W30, however that was what Total Lubfinder recommended, I'll see how it gets on with it, some engines in certain cars really spit their dummies out with a change in oil type, hopefully not the case here.

Thanks for the advice re timing belt, that's a good shout. Am I right in thinking the water pump is on the auxiliary side on these and not the timing?

Not hugely looking forward to the clutch, and I'm fed up of gearboxes this week after dealing with a C4 I currently have in the fleet from an auction that appears to have 6 neutrals and a gearbox full of shrapnel, so I'll put it to one side for now!
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Ignore me on the water pump theory as it turns out it is on the timing side, not sure what I was thinking of!
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Yes, agree with you about saving ordinary stuff too, am pleased that events like "Festival of the Unexceptional" have appeared recently to give this everyday stuff a spotlight.

As a nice usable, economical, current sort of "future classic" / modern classic then the handiness of its 5 doors is no bad thing.

To confirm, you are correct water pump is timing belt driven. Seem to remember is 2 types = one of which has effectively part of the timing belt cover cast into the pump body, the other doesn't. Both fit but you end up with a gap (probably about 30x100mm rectangular section absent) - pretty meaningless but really annoyed me that I had the wrong one on there, despite being back of the engine: neither visible or vulnerable to foreign bodies entering the belt casing!

When you mentioned C4 gearbox trouble I thought you'd say gear cables snapped - that was worst I'd to contend with on my C4 thankfully!

Bottom figures here are the diesel engine info from Haynes:
Haynes 3073 (306 manual)
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Interestingly the Citroen ZX manual, 1922 states even thicker!
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MattBLancs wrote: 10 Dec 2022, 13:42 Interestingly the Citroen ZX manual, 1922 states even thicker!

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I hadn't realised they made the ZX in 1922 Matt? :-D
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Happily, the cambelt on a non-turbo XUD is a sight easier to do than a turbo... On those, one of the turbo pipes get right in the way of one of the cover bolts and makes access to it a right 'mare. I used to use a crescent spanner to get at it...

I always used 10W-40 in all of mine, summer and winter... Still do... Only Robyn's erstwhile C1 demanded something thinner...
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mickthemaverick wrote: 10 Dec 2022, 13:43
MattBLancs wrote: 10 Dec 2022, 13:42 Interestingly the Citroen ZX manual, 1922 states even thicker!

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I hadn't realised they made the ZX in 1922 Matt? :-D
Apologies, can't help but quote my references!
It's the Haynes manual numbers:
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The 306 manual is number 3073 also quoted above.

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Agree, 10W40 was my go to on a XUD. Modern stuff tends to be thinner (tighter tolerances and a view towards slightly efficiency improvement with thinner stuff. Think I've read some if the hybrids (aiming for higher efficiency again) use really thin stuff, 0W20??
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I think a lot of the oil companies have nudged their oil recommendations these days towards thinner oils purely for 'economy' reasons i.e. a hopeful attempt to get better mpg. I've noticed a few of my regular choices are now recommended thinner.
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It's been a bit quiet the last few weeks, but I have been busy with work and I've had more bits to do with my Saab that had to take precedence at the present time.

In the background however, I've ordered a few bits to keep me occupied, such as a pair of TRW rear shock absorbers to replace the crusty flaky ones it currently has, and some replica dealer numberplates, as I intend to bring it back to what it would have looked like in 1995 when new.
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A pair of replica dealer plates, and matching window decal, from what I suspect may have been the original dealer. I haven't researched that deep, however this is close enough for me for now. The car was registered in Coventry, ironically in the same locality to where it was born.

I've started asking for a few quotes from garages to supply and replace the clutch, as I simply don't have the time or space at the moment on any lifts to do it myself. So far only one has got back to me, at a price of around £400. No idea so far if that is good or not!

Also in the works is a makeover of the audio system, as the factory speakers are now well and truly shot. New Alpines to go in soon, and hopefully a retro look modern HU to try and remain aesthetically appropriate to the correct era but with some modern convenience.

Hope to bring some more updates soon!
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Miles

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Excellent :D And it'll soon have an FCF sticker too ;)
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Boxing Day... work beckoned, however it was a day of basically being there to answer the phone, plenty of opportunity to tinker!

Had several bits to keep me busy today. Fitted a new set of speakers to replace the knackered factory ones, air filter change, fuel filter, new plates and new wipers.

Fitted four new Alpine 6½" speakers which have a similar rating to the factory ones, and it has made a world of difference to be able to listen to decent audio while driving. Next step is a replacement head unit, which I haven't yet chosen. Likely to go for one of the nice looking Continental branded 'retro look' modern head units - so I can enjoy the modern convenience of things like Bluetooth without having to resort to a silly colour changing naff JVC that would ruin the look.
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Original Blaupunkt head unit is still in place for now, but it is temperamental and half of the display is knackered as you can see - tuned in to 47.10 FM. Apparently...

Air filter, unsurprisingly, was toast - nicely full of dead flies, spiders, dust and general crap. New one fitted, and just as important is a new fuel filter. Opted for a genuine one which actually looks rather different to the old one that was fitted which looks like a Purflux. The genuine ones appear to be made by Delphi. Half the reason for changing the fuel filter was the water in fuel light has been on and off intermittently for some time. Stayed off all the way home, so fingers crossed that's sorted that!
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Old fuel filter looked a bit dark, no idea when it was last changed.
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Big thanks must go to Pro Plates for supplying the replica numberplates and dealer transfer at a very reasonable cost.

That's all for now - in the new year I need to do some more involved work, including the rear axle which is incredibly crusty. New rear shocks, new brakes, and a more in-depth clean of the underside and application of underseal to try and keep the tin worm at bay for a while longer.
Cheers,
Miles

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2007 Citroën C6 Lignage

2003 Saab 9-5 3.0 V6 TiD