CitroJim's AX, C3 Picasso, Cycling and Running Tales

[NewcastleFalcon]

The aforementioned Citroen AX 4X4

Regards Neil

[Hell Razor5543]

More brake cylinders, just in case (but I don't know if they are suitable or not);

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-AX-1 ... SwXbhe3KGH
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-Wheel-Bra ... SwiItf5yQI
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-O-S-PAIR-C ... SwExlagK8g

[CitroJim]

The dust cover is 374032, allegedly still available - mind you £10.16 each!! Looks to be common with Saxo, so you should be able to get a pair somewhere.

Thanks Richard, not surprised service.citroen no longer lists stuff for the AX...

I'll make some of my own dust caps at at that price!

I now have some cylinders on order from the 'bay, along with a new set of brake shoes ll thanks to your supplied links James

The aforementioned Citroen AX 4X4

Nice Well found Neil! That's a smart looker

Today, looking around Facebook I found this AX for sale...

AX11TGE Salsa

Absolutely and utterly identical to the one I had in the early to mid 90s Loved that car and it did us proud...

This one's on sale for £950.. Either a bargain or a moneypit...

[NewcastleFalcon]

13,500 Euros buys you this variant of the AX

https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/ ... 99#p670699

Regards Neil

[CitroJim]

13,500 Euros buys you this variant of the AX

https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/ ... 99#p670699

Regards Neil

Wow Very desirable

[mickthemaverick]

Imagine if they had brought out an electric AX - it would have been cutting edge - AX E

[Hell Razor5543]

Imagine if they had brought out an electric AX - it would have been cutting edge - AX E

That might be axing for trouble!

[CitroJim]

Imagine if they had brought out an electric AX - it would have been cutting edge - AX E

There was an AX10E Mick, the S1 base model...

[NewcastleFalcon]

They did do a "first Generation" AX Electrique along with a Saxo Electrique.



The filler cap was probably for the webasto diesel heater

Regards Neil
Some gubbins about the Webasto Heater from the archives.

The engine independant heater was a product of Webasto, who also did this type of thing for buses and boats.

Still going today from their founding in 1901...

https://www.webasto.com/gb/about-webast ... n/history/

and the internet as ever proves once again a tremendous receptacle of reference information....a comprehensive 50 odd page repair manual for the particular fuel-powered heaters fitted to the AX, Saxo, and Berlingo electriques

Yes I know you would have to take a crash-course in German to get the most out of it but there's always Google Translate!

pdf document: Webasto_Thermo_Top_T_BW50_DW50.PDF

regards Neil

[CitroJim]

I've got this sitting on my shelf, it's from GMF it's Citroen but I can't remember what for.

Looking at one of the ebay links James supplied for AX cylinders I see some similar to yours and advertised as being for an AX and Renault 19.

I've cross-referenced this with the BoL and my official AX workshop manuals but I find no trace of this style of cylinger ever being used on the AX, not the small petrols at any rate...

So, they must be for the Renault!

[CitroJim]

They did do a "first Generation" AX Electrique along with a Saxo Electrique.

Well found Neil, that's one looker of an AX. I particularly like the colour and paint finish Very similar to my first AX Salsa but a bit darker...

I reckon one of those would suit my daily needs very well... Perfect for my weekly run to Tesco That's all my car now does whilst we are in Tier 4...

[NewcastleFalcon]

They did do a "first Generation" AX Electrique along with a Saxo Electrique.

I reckon one of those would suit my daily needs very well... Perfect for my weekly run to Tesco That's all my car now does whilst we are in Tier 4...

first Gen tech but probably more than enough even now for your daily needs. It had 51 miles range and 91km/hr top speed. NiCd Batteries and a DC Motor.

There is some gubbins on the AX Electrique in the spoiler. Pretty simple tech, and standard AX running gear.

Spoiler: show

20 Years of AX Electrique – Pioneering Electric Mobility

In December 1993, Citroën started the production of the Citroën AX Electrique, the first larger-scale produced electric vehicle.

Seven years after the introduction of the Citroën AX in 1986, the 100 percent electric-powered AX Electrique was perceived as some outstanding offering: no emissions, no engine or exhaust noise. The electric version of the compact car had a range of fifty miles and achieved a top speed of 91km/h.

The Citroen AX Electrique was equipped with a DC motor, the power being supplied from a battery. An electronic control unit registered , controlled and monitored the commands of the driver and the use of electrical energy. It also provided for charging the driving battery by the built-in charger and limited the vehicle’s performance when the power was about to decease or the temperature limits have been reached.

Steering, braking system and all other functions except the heating of the Citroën AX Electrique was derived from the conventional AX. Since the electric motor in the Citroën AX Electrique was very efficient and produced little waste heat, the use of additional fuel-based heating was necessary to provide convenience for the cold days.

The AX Electrique had neither a manual gearbox nor a neutral position or a clutch. Driving the electric car was very similar to that of a vehicle with automatic transmission. Releasing the accelerator pedal turned the efficient transmission engine automatically into a source for energy recuperation.

A conventional 12-volt battery powered all the accessories of the AX Electrique. It was loaded from the main transmission battery via a “converter” which has the task of an alternator. The driving battery consisted of a group of blocks for the storage of electrical energy, which are placed in three containers. These were nickel-cadmium (NiCd) batteries. Between the motor and battery there was a safety device: a circuit breaker unit whose job it was to provide or disconnect the electrical connection between the motor and the drive battery. The entire system had fuses and circuit breakers.

The traction battery, the electric motor and the electronic control unit integrated with the connection block are cooled by the air ventilation or by circulation of cooling fluid.

The Citroën AX Electrique has been produced in a total of 374 units from December 1993 to 1996.

The roadmap of electric vehicles continued in 1997 with the introduction of the Citroën Berlingo Electrique which was built in a quantity of 1749 vehicles. The Citroën Saxo Electrique was produced from 1996 to 2003 with a total of 2,174 units.

Regards Neil

[Hell Razor5543]

They did do a "first Generation" AX Electrique along with a Saxo Electrique.

I reckon one of those would suit my daily needs very well... Perfect for my weekly run to Tesco That's all my car now does whilst we are in Tier 4...

first Gen tech but probably more than enough even now for your daily needs. It had 51 miles range and 91km/hr top speed. NiCd Batteries and a DC Motor.

There is some gubbins on the AX Electrique in the spoiler. Pretty simple tech, and standard AX running gear.

Spoiler: show

20 Years of AX Electrique – Pioneering Electric Mobility

In December 1993, Citroën started the production of the Citroën AX Electrique, the first larger-scale produced electric vehicle.

Seven years after the introduction of the Citroën AX in 1986, the 100 percent electric-powered AX Electrique was perceived as some outstanding offering: no emissions, no engine or exhaust noise. The electric version of the compact car had a range of fifty miles and achieved a top speed of 91km/h.

The Citroen AX Electrique was equipped with a DC motor, the power being supplied from a battery. An electronic control unit registered , controlled and monitored the commands of the driver and the use of electrical energy. It also provided for charging the driving battery by the built-in charger and limited the vehicle’s performance when the power was about to decease or the temperature limits have been reached.

Steering, braking system and all other functions except the heating of the Citroën AX Electrique was derived from the conventional AX. Since the electric motor in the Citroën AX Electrique was very efficient and produced little waste heat, the use of additional fuel-based heating was necessary to provide convenience for the cold days.

The AX Electrique had neither a manual gearbox nor a neutral position or a clutch. Driving the electric car was very similar to that of a vehicle with automatic transmission. Releasing the accelerator pedal turned the efficient transmission engine automatically into a source for energy recuperation.

A conventional 12-volt battery powered all the accessories of the AX Electrique. It was loaded from the main transmission battery via a “converter” which has the task of an alternator. The driving battery consisted of a group of blocks for the storage of electrical energy, which are placed in three containers. These were nickel-cadmium (NiCd) batteries. Between the motor and battery there was a safety device: a circuit breaker unit whose job it was to provide or disconnect the electrical connection between the motor and the drive battery. The entire system had fuses and circuit breakers.

The traction battery, the electric motor and the electronic control unit integrated with the connection block are cooled by the air ventilation or by circulation of cooling fluid.

The Citroën AX Electrique has been produced in a total of 374 units from December 1993 to 1996.

The roadmap of electric vehicles continued in 1997 with the introduction of the Citroën Berlingo Electrique which was built in a quantity of 1749 vehicles. The Citroën Saxo Electrique was produced from 1996 to 2003 with a total of 2,174 units.

Regards Neil

Considering that was 27 years ago that is not bad. In fact it is very good.

[CitroJim]

To confirm my diagnosis of the reason for Daffodil's non-operational rear brakes I removed one of the wheel cylinders today...

Seized absolutely solid Even a hammer and punch won't move the pistons!

They are allegedly only 4 years old Brake fluid replaced at the same time according to an invoice...

The brake fluid is very badly contaminated... As I flush more it's getting more and more purple and my suspicion grows that DOT5 was used to top-up and it's not done any good... It started off black and full of sediment, then brown and now distinctly purple!

New wheel cylinders are on their way and should arrive on Wednesday I've also procured another litre of DOT4 fluid to enable a thorough flush...

[Gibbo2286]

I use a grease nipple in the pipe hole and a side lever grease gun to shift those seized pistons.