DPF removal? Better think again!

[Deanxm]

Yes but CO is so last Wednesday, this week its all about air quality and particulates because it gives greater leverage and creates more of a social taboo if you say to people your puppy will get cancer if your neighbour removes his DPF. When it was all about CO causing global warming nobody really gave a monkey if a polar bear was running out of ice to stand on but air quality is more on your doorstep and now.

Usually i laugh about this sort of stuff and move on but Derv's are fairly smelly horrible things, i still stand by my opinion that we need to drive smaller petrol cars and do it less rather than have a governing body incentivise a different fuel which was always going to be much more dirty and incourage people to continue driving more by reducing running costs.

If this whole electric car thing kicks off it would be good in some ways, bad for some economy's, but good for air quality, it will be interesting to see what happens over the next few decades.

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[Paul-R]

... but Derv's are fairly smelly horrible things,...

Matter of opinion. I think that petrol engines are nasty revvy little things with no low down pull.

... i still stand by my opinion that we need to drive smaller petrol cars

Maybe around town but give me a turbodiesel any day for long distance journeys.

[BenC5HDi]

Petrol engines are brilliant. Some of the new modern small engines have plenty of low-down pull. Diesels have had their day now.

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[Stickyfinger]

... but Derv's are fairly smelly horrible things,...

Matter of opinion. I think that petrol engines are nasty revvy little things with no low down pull.

... i still stand by my opinion that we need to drive smaller petrol cars

Maybe around town but give me a turbodiesel any day for long distance journeys.

or get a V6, straight-6 or V8 petrol

[elma]

Surely we have to use both because fractioning oil will yield both. Little petrols for city's and diesel for industry I reckon. I've got high hopes for electric but concerns about batteries and fossil fuels.

[Paul-R]

Maybe around town but give me a turbodiesel any day for long distance journeys.

or get a V6, straight-6 or V8 petrol

And prepare to pay through the nose and any other orifice you care to mention for the "privilege". Don't forget I do a fair amount of driving on the continent where they have a much more enlightened policy about diesel fuel pricing.

[Paul-R]

Surely we have to use both because fractioning oil will yield both. Little petrols for city's and diesel for industry I reckon. I've got high hopes for electric but concerns about batteries and fossil fuels.

100% agree on everything.

[Stickyfinger]

Maybe around town but give me a turbodiesel any day for long distance journeys.

or get a V6, straight-6 or V8 petrol

And prepare to pay through the nose and any other orifice you care to mention for the "privilege". Don't forget I do a fair amount of driving on the continent where they have a much more enlightened policy about diesel fuel pricing.

You never mentioned costs

I would postulate that some of those extra costs can be set against the extra servicing costs of a diesel over a few years, that and the new taxes coming on oilers.

[bigjl2]

The problem with DPF/FAP removal now is that it means your vehicle is no longer compliant to Construction & Use Regs.

And that is more relevant than being able to blag an MOT with a gutted DPF/FAP

[Deanxm]

Petrol engines are brilliant. Some of the new modern small engines have plenty of low-down pull. Diesels have had their day now.

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I would go with that, ive driven a lot of small petrol cars recently for one reason or another, mitsubishi, skoda, VW, citroen etc etc and they are great in different ways but all very economical and gutsy with lots of room, i wouldnt have any reservations about hitting the motorway in a C1 at all. The Mitsubishi i had the other week did over 60mpg, on the isle of wight! it costs way under 10k to buy a well spec'd new one and is great fun and nippy to drive, has loads of room and is as complicated as a stone, remind me why i need a diesel again?

Of course if you want a big car it should be petrol and a V6 at least.........................or a model S

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[BenC5HDi]

I'm 100% with Dean on this. Small simple petrol car for town work, bigger V engined car for longer journeys and fun. A V6 C5 will return over 33mpg on a decent run, which, if you're taking a family is still so so so much cheaper and convenient than PT.

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[Deanxm]

Do you think we should delete the diesel cars out of our signatures quietly before anyone notices.............................

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[Paul-R]

I would postulate that some of those extra costs can be set against the extra servicing costs of a diesel over a few years, that and the new taxes coming on oilers.

What extra costs?

The mileage requirement for servicing is now so high for both petrol and diesel cars that effectively it becomes an annual service. Both cars need oil, oil filter, air filter. Not sure if a petrol car needs a fuel filter but I suspect that quite a few do so there's probably no saving there. Which leaves the spark plugs - oh wait a minute, diesels don't need them.

This leaves the DPF as the only service item extra and that not until 100,000 miles or so. Spread that over 8 years or so the cost could be the same as a set of spark pugs each year - maybe they don't get changed every service so I could be out there.

[Paul-R]

i wouldnt have any reservations about hitting the motorway in a C1 at all.

If it's anything like the C1 that I has as a courtesy car last week from the dealers "hit" is the operative word. I only had it for a day and a half but that was enough to convince me it was a nasty uncomfortable roller skate.

When I handed it back I remarked to the service manager how harsh it was he said that it was 100% improved over the earlier cars. He then recounted how he driven an early one back to the garage (don't know how far) and when he got there it was remarked on that his face was white - presumably with fear!

...remind me why i need a diesel again?

For the better driving experience of course

Of course if you want a big car it should be petrol and a V6 at least.........................or a model S

Pfah. I'd only have a petrol if someone else was paying the bills. And even then I'd moan about it.

[Paul-R]

Do you think we should delete the diesel cars out of our signatures quietly before anyone notices.............................

Well I won't be.

As far as I'm concerned they are the choice of the discerning motorist. What was it that Diesel Car magazine used to say? Oh yes, the magazine for the thinking driver.