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As you probably know the MOT regs in the UK were changed in February 2014 to include a check for the presence of the Diesel Particulate Filter for Diesel cars fitted with these by the manufacturer and if it isn't there, it's a fail.

Some garages were offering to either remove the whole thing or 'gut' the filter and weld up the casing, to make it apear that that the filter was in fact there. Currently, MOT testers only have to undertake a visual inspection of the Filter, as there isn't a test at present to detect whether the filter is there and is operational.

This topic was covered recently in an article by The Guardian. Given how widespread DPF removal / gutting is, it now looks like the Government have commisioned research to actually perform a test for the presence / operation of the DPF. They may look at ways to adapt the current smoke test to check the DPF is doing its job.

Apart from the detrimental impact on health, the article also mentions that it it is an offence to drive the vehicle without a DPF (if originally fitted) and could also invalidate your insurance if you have not declared its removal.
The DfT has commissioned research on how existing or new technology can be used to detect DPF removal by measuring exhaust fumes. One possibility is adapting the use of the equipment that performs the current MOT smoke test to make it more sensitive. The findings may be implemented as part of changes to the Roadworthiness Directive, which sets the framework for MOT testing, and is scheduled to be introduced in the UK in 2017-18.
I've just spent the last couple of hours looking at other Forums, regarding this and it is surprising how many owners have already had this done - but who are now contemplating the financial impact of possibly having to fork out to get the DPFs reinstated again along with all the ECU mods and additional kit.

I thought it worth a mention, as it was innevitable that to enforce the ruling there simply had to be more than a visual check for the filter - and this could be the start of it, so anyone still contemplating DPF removal or gutting - you may want to reconsider :-D
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Finding a decent sympathetic MOT tester is going to be the answer to people with diesel cars that only do short journeys or sell it and buy a petrol.
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Bick wrote:Finding a decent sympathetic MOT tester is going to be the answer to people with diesel cars that only do short journeys or sell it and buy a petrol.
You'll not find a sympathetic tester who'll ignore that. Imagine I was a VOSA inspector doing a blind test at an MOT station? Loss of MOT testing licence, loss of money. . Loss if livelihood?

Not a chance.

It's all very well finding a tester who's sympathetic to a slightly worn bush or a bit of corrosion as that's essentially "at the testers discretion". A missing piece of legally required equipment is not....



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I wonder how many scrap yards are going to get visited by desperate DPF buyers?
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Same BS was in the news also in Finland recently. And just as my DPF might have to be changed (got depollution system faulty error for the first time yesterday). I considered very seriously about remapping and DPF removal. More bhp and higher mpg, that's very tempting. DPF removal might drop consumption 1l/100km and that's quite much. I wonder what environmentalists think about DPF wasting a lot of fuel? :P
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Bick wrote:Finding a decent sympathetic MOT tester is going to be the answer to people with diesel cars that only do short journeys or sell it and buy a petrol.
When you consider the DPF filter can last anywhere up to 120,000 miles or more - it's certainly done its job. But there are companies out there who will clean the filter for you - that's far less than a brand new DPF and less than the £250 these garages were charging to remove / gut the DPF. Plus the Eolys top up at about 80,000 miles - that's not a big ask - less than the price of 2 decent tyres!
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Xantippa wrote:Same BS was in the news also in Finland recently. And just as my DPF might have to be changed (got depollution system faulty error for the first time yesterday). I considered very seriously about remapping and DPF removal. More bhp and higher mpg, that's very tempting. DPF removal might drop consumption 1l/100km and that's quite much. I wonder what environmentalists think about DPF wasting a lot of fuel? :P
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GiveMeABreak wrote:
Bick wrote:Finding a decent sympathetic MOT tester is going to be the answer to people with diesel cars that only do short journeys or sell it and buy a petrol.
When you consider the DPF filter can last anywhere up to 120,000 miles or more - it's certainly done its job. But there are companies out there who will clean the filter for you - that's far less than a brand new DPF and less than the £250 these garages were charging to remove / gut the DPF. Plus the Eolys top up at about 80,000 miles - that's not a big ask - less than the price of 2 decent tyres!
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Xantippa wrote:Same BS was in the news also in Finland recently. And just as my DPF might have to be changed (got depollution system faulty error for the first time yesterday). I considered very seriously about remapping and DPF removal. More bhp and higher mpg, that's very tempting. DPF removal might drop consumption 1l/100km and that's quite much. I wonder what environmentalists think about DPF wasting a lot of fuel? :P
That's a no brainer - think of all the carcinogens in the particulate matter that would be pumped into your neighbourhood! Not so good - It shouldn't always be about MPG and BHP - and I'm not a tree hugger by the way - just a dose of common sense! :-D
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I am on the side of "it is part of the car and should be budgeted for as part of the overall cost of ownership"
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It's easier to take it off, shove a load of oven pride in it, let it sit for a while then rinse it out and jet wash it out. Job done.

Or more sensibly, a nice long run for an hour during the quiet times on the motorway at a steady 70 with or without cruise on and job done!
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I've been looking on one of the VAG sites and there is a mention there of those who have spent a few quid removing DPF, remapping ECU, getting shot of EGR, performance tune, now contemplating the £5k to restore everything if they cant get the ECU mapped back, with all the cost of new parts. At the end of the day selling the car isn't really an option if you don't tell the buyer you've removed all the emission controls and they come to get their MOT! Bang - see you in court!
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KP wrote:It's easier to take it off, shove a load of oven pride in it, let it sit for a while then rinse it out and jet wash it out. Job done.
Or more sensibly, a nice long run for an hour during the quiet times on the motorway at a steady 70 with or without cruise on and job done!
Agreed - you don't even need to be on the motorway or doing 70 - it's not about speed - you just need to keep the revs 2500 -3000 and keep it in 3rd or fourth (depending on your gearbox) for about 15 - 20 minutes once warmed, that should do it. :-D

It would be good if somebody could do a write up with pics on a DPF remove, clean & replace.
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GiveMeABreak wrote: if you don't tell the buyer you've removed all the emission controls and they come to get their MOT! Bang - see you in court!
I see this being a major problem with used diesels for the next few years, both from dealers and private sales.
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GiveMeABreak wrote:I've been looking on one of the VAG sites and there is a mention there of those who have spent a few quid removing DPF, remapping ECU, getting shot of EGR, performance tune, now contemplating the £5k to restore everything if they cant get the ECU mapped back, with all the cost of new parts. At the end of the day selling the car isn't really an option if you don't tell the buyer you've removed all the emission controls and they come to get their MOT! Bang - see you in court!
I had my ECU remapped recently and specifically requested they didn't map the EGR out..

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