Before worrying about dynamic timing, do the static timing first... If you don't have the official words on how to do this I do and will happily send it your way.. It's very easy to do and if the static timing is right then there should be no need to do anything else as the dynamic timing is under ECU control so as long as the lift sensor is working it will be good.
It can easily be checked on a Lexia..
I'm the James May of Team WFA and I really am Captain Slow!!!!
froglet wrote:
Not sure they do Lexias out here - very protective of their expertise!
buy your own under £100 squid
and thats probably near an hours labour from a citroen dealer
Regards, malcolm.
current ride a BX 1.7 TZD estate
1986 MK1 BX 1.9na D Auto(in Mothman Andy's stable )
layed up roppy 1.9TD XANT estate, now gone to meet her maker
purple and lilac metalic 2CV(VIOLET)registered to her in doors
1972 DS special been layed up aprox 31 years
Thanks Jim, and Malcolm but the only Lexias I have seen for sale don't work on Windows 7, unless I'm looking at the wrong ads.
Anyway - all a bit academic for the moment.
Went for my previously booked appointment (you get charged anyway if you don't turn up) - remember the one to get 'dynamically timed' for only 100€ which at today's exchange rate seemed pretty good. Too good.
Bet you don't know of many cars that can drive into a garage (however ropey) then be told to return at 5pm. You spend the day wandering around a Pyreneean town during its vilest weather to return after 6 hours to find they haven't even started. Drove home (this is important) and drove back next day (just as important). Few more hours in town, return early to 'no problems' wait 10 minutes to be told ... wait for it ... crankshaft pulley woodruff key missing, pulley chewed. By the way, you need two crankshaft oil seals two more keys for god knows where oh! and a new damper pulley just to round it off. Bill goes from 100€ to additional 462€. Even at these exchange rates the 2 hour mountain walk home was refreshing and the views delightful.
Wonder what pleasures await when they 'eventually' get the parts - they'll let me know. Meanwhile more walking (I know some do it for pleasure/holidays but it's usually when more convenient), probably a hire car for some time and the scintillating unease about the actual final bill!
So, how does a car drive without its crankshaft pulley connected to all the other gizmos?
Bear in mind as well that the original job of changing the water pump and associated belts and stuff was quoted at 700€ (unless they find something else), before doing a French 'control'. Even with buying the parts this bill is fast approaching that. Perhaps my little 850 Mini wasn't so bad when I did a clutch change on that, or the gearbox change (in the gutter) on my 1600ohc Viva.
Oh happy days.
Not only were they present and correct (at least the one that held the crankshaft pulley - and had been used as the eye-sight for double checking alignment) they were stood by their bed in spit-spot condition.
The simple fact is - the woodruff key had been there in immaculate condition when I last put it together.
Something had held it all together until I got there.
I was not present over the mechanic's shoulder when he de-torqued the pulley nut.
I AM present to hear swmbo tell me it is my fault for letting the car out of my sight.
Tumbrils at dawn, sharpen the blade.
i have seen the woodruff key slide out on fitting the crank pulley if the slot is not 100% lined up, so it may be possible, and then if the crank pulley bolt is done up tight it could drive the hydralic pump alternator and air con pump for a while
Regards, malcolm.
current ride a BX 1.7 TZD estate
1986 MK1 BX 1.9na D Auto(in Mothman Andy's stable )
layed up roppy 1.9TD XANT estate, now gone to meet her maker
purple and lilac metalic 2CV(VIOLET)registered to her in doors
1972 DS special been layed up aprox 31 years
So ... the saga, as far as fixing, seems to be over!
Several weeks ago they showed me the removed crankshaft pulley, with part(s) of a woodruff key still embedded in it.
ONLY solution was to purchase a new pulley, with new key(s), a crankshaft oil seal and several other items from the ether. Some weeks later (hiring a car and several hundred kilometres in between) was told it would be ready to collect next day. Next day was told by manager that the part had not arrived but was due that day etc etc. And so it went on, needing a new radiator on the way!! Not actually the only thing steaming by now, though the radiator wasn't because the engine wasn't working!
Of course it could be that a snow-chain snapping just before the start of the problem could have been the cause, but surely that would have been spotted by the original-diagnosing Citroën garage who identified the water pump as the cause. Hence change of water pump and resulting problems. Anyway, that is all obviously sour grapes and lots of water under lots of bridges. Seems possible that the aforementioned chain caused lots of work and lots of money. Several cans of anti-freeze, a new water pump, timing belt and auxiliary belt, cranked tool (two week delay), several scores of miles walking over several mountains during several blizzards, several weeks car-hire covering several hundreds of miles over several weeks and several trips back to garage. Oh and a nice bill of several hundreds of euros only to find the 'new' crankshaft pulley has not been fitted. The original is still there, smiling, with several persuasion marks on it. Apparently, after my last visit (it was due that day) the part did not arrive so they cleaned the old pulley and just put it back on. Just like I would have done several conversations ago. 'Nuff said.
It was mentioned in passing that the radiator problem would not have showed up as such - it only materialised under pressure. Oh, I thought politely, just like the times I filled up with fresh anti-freeze but nothing showed through then. No spray, no steam. Still, in a funny old world it's always possible.
I'm delighted!
