HDi Xantia Exclusive???

[scr8pdo]

Right, now driving a proper riding Xantia (suspension working as should) my mrs has really taken to them but she would actually like something half decent like a phase 2 HDi, the 1.9 we are using is a great little motor but it does look a bit tired tbh as it was used as a minicab for yonks so I may get rid on Monday and start saving up for a nice HDi

Are there any potetial problems to be aware of with the HDi? My original plan was to run the 1.9 for a bit but it does look a bit tired and she fancies something a bit tastier, if it was me I would run the 1.9 for ever but its what she wants to do and I do have my own TDi Volvo to play with.

She has been looking at some very nice Exclusive Xantias and they do look the business with the leather trim, heated seats etc, very nice indeed, I will let you all know, but I really think she has been converted to Citroens now, just a quick question, what are the early C5s like?, she also has been looking at HDi 406 pugs namley the 2.2s

[Citroenmad]

The 2.0HDi 8v is such a good engine you should not really havy too many problems with them, even at high mileage. Probably a search around on here might be the best idea, looking at the highmileage HDi thread might give you some ideas as to reliability.

Exclusives are fully hydractive so more spheres to look after and make sure are good on purchase. Also check the electro valves function properly. Not deal breakers but haggling tools.

I wouldn't get a 2.2HDi 406 (or C5), stick with the 2.0s as they are more most simple and most hardy, not to mention more efficient.

Early C5s are good, totally different car to a Xantia but I do like C5s. Again go for the 2.0HDi.

Check my post here for some info on the C5s. Some of it (mainly specs and later 2.0HDi 16v 138 engine) applies to the C5II but essentially the same otherwise.

[citroenxm]

I Ditto Chris's response... GO for the 2.o 8v early units.. avoid the 2.2 unit in early C5's..

Ive a Xantia Exclisove HDi 110.. just past 200k, and theres a fair few other HDis on here with 200k plus on them, and they are still sweet as a nut engine wise.. All other areas same as any other xantia... Spheres, Heater Matrix's, drop links, etc etc.

Service intervals on the HDi's are longer then the old TD's, in that the TD was around 6-7k intervals, and the HDi is 12.5k this CAN mean cars miss half as many services for Skimping owners...

The HDi really IS a cracking unit. Just cautiously check for cooling system pressure after a run, but should not be worried about. Water loss useually down to Water Pump if the head gasket is good. Rads have a longer life on the HDi too.. being an all alloy unit they dont seem to disintigrate like TD rads..

Then of course theres the Economy, carefull light driving should see 50+ mpg!

[CitroJim]

I repeat all Chris and Paul has said Nothing to add really except to say that the late Xantia HDi Exclusives had the diesel-fired Eberspacher auxiliary heater rather than the electric glowplug immersion heater on the earlier models.

In the winter an auxiliary heater on an HDi is essential else they take forever to warm up (due to their high efficiency which gives rise to their excellent economy) and get heat going in the cabin. The Eberspacher is a fantastic heater when working but sadly they rarely do after a few years and they can be very expensive to get going again if the problem is other than the glowplug. The earlier glowplug immersion heater is a lot more reliable albeit with perhaps less performance.

Drivers seat heaters rarely work after a few years and lots of bums sitting on them. Mine at 203K does still work amazingly!

On the engine side they're pretty bombproof but do occasionally consume MAF sensors. A duff one makes the thing feel a bit flat and it starts to use a little more diesel.

Apart from what's already been said, just check the normal S2 Xantia things like strut tops, heater matrix and condition of the PAS feed pipe to the rack.

In short, the best Xantia ever... It has a lot of fans on here...

[imperial21]

Here Here To that, I have had mine for 18 months and i think its such a good mix of econommy, comfort & performance, Though I have to admitt i wish i had an estate one !

[Lighty]

Its a personal thing, but I dont like the electric seats in the exclusive, as they make the seats too high, otherwise the best car Citroen made if you ask me.

[Northern_Mike]

Drivers seat heaters rarely work after a few years and lots of bums sitting on them. Mine at 203K does still work amazingly!

Doesn't it just! I was warned when I bought the car about that "It burns your bloody ahse"...

[waynedance]

I have a 2.2 C5 Exclusive and done 20k in the last 14 months (now on 79k) has full history and no problems to date. The fluid additive has been topped up as per service schedule, I guess these give anti pollution trouble when they are not looked after correctly.

I am glad i got the 2.2 16v over the 2.0 8v but each to their own.

[DickieG]

Drivers seat heaters rarely work after a few years and lots of bums sitting on them. Mine at 203K does still work amazingly!

Doesn't it just! I was warned when I bought the car about that "It burns your bloody ahse"...

I've found wearing clothes when driving reduces that effect

[steelcityuk]

Don't forget the Exclusive can be had with the 2.1 TD. Simpler engine with less electrical control to go wrong, much cheaper injection parts and if swapped over to a Bosch pump can be used with veg oil. Same output but slightly lower mpg and different torque curve.

Ive had a HDi Xantia & C5 Exclusive and 2 2.1TD XMs. Both are good engines but with the HDi you really need access to a Lexia if it goes wrong. Oh and a good remap on a HDi makes them even better. I'd still like a HDi XM!

Steve.

[Gregg1100]

Hi Jim,
Not sure if it is relevant to Eberspacher units on cars, but as I said elsewhere in this forum, we had to fire the heaters up in our trucks at least once a month in the summer to stop the burn mat drying out. Dry burn mat = pig to get going properly when you want it, if it goes at all.
Greg

[scr8pdo]

Thanks for the replies, we will be defo looking for a nice HDi then, do these have DPFs on though and if so do they play up etc, I havent heard a bad word said about the 2.0 HDi 8v not just here but elseswhere, I was warned to be careful of the 2.2 as they can go wrong but they sound like a very powerful diesel, I would be happy with the same performance as the 2.1 if the HDi provides it!

Seen a couple of leggy HDi Exclusives on ebay with high miles but they do seem to be a good motor, thanks for all your help guys

[DickieG]

2.0 8v HDi's don't have DPF, 2.2's HDi's in the C5 and Peugeot's are best avoided like the plague from my experience, I've had the dubious pleasure of working on a few of them now and wouldn't touch one with a barge pole.

If you're going for a Xantia the HDi is the preferred option for me, engine torque is greater at lower revs than a 2.1 so it picks up quicker from low engine speeds and has far better economy, I feel hard done by on the rare occasion I get less than 50mpg, the last fill up was 54.5mpg HDi's are also far quieter, if you need to do an early start with a 2.1 park it well away from your neighbours The auxiliary belt tensioners on 2.1's are a complete pain in the proverbial to change and don't appear to last very long either.

[Prilliant03]

Just ticked over 180,000 miles on my HDi during a trip to Glasgow and back and it still refuses to miss a beat while seeming to sip fuel like a pensioner with a glass of sherry.

Now if I could just figure out the electrical mayhem.....

[citroenxm]

Thanks for the replies, we will be defo looking for a nice HDi then, do these have DPFs on though and if so do they play up etc, I havent heard a bad word said about the 2.0 HDi 8v not just here but elseswhere, I was warned to be careful of the 2.2 as they can go wrong but they sound like a very powerful diesel, I would be happy with the same performance as the 2.1 if the HDi provides it!

Seen a couple of leggy HDi Exclusives on ebay with high miles but they do seem to be a good motor, thanks for all your help guys

I would be afriad of high miles at all either, as long as the service is good.. and theres NO pressure in the cooling system. Mines just ticked 200k, see another topic on here about peoples and their high milers! Theres a few about. They certainly ARE NOT like the XUD cousin which suffered a lot of cooling system problems.. I think this is down to useing a multi layered steel gasket from factory, unlike the XUD that didn't..