xantia HDI rockers/pushrods broken! Petrol mixed with Diesel

icedillon · Unread post by **icedillon** » 04 Jun 2006, 22:24

Some petrol got into my tank by accident, thought it would be ok but a couple of miles don the road the car started sounding tappety then died! Timing belt is fine but the rockers are broken except for two!

Can anyone tell me if my valves will be ok? shall i just change the rockers/pushrods whatever they are called or get a replacement head?

Are the rockers expensive?

Regards

wheeler · Unread post by **wheeler** » 04 Jun 2006, 23:53

there is a good chance that you will get away with just replacing the rockers,surely the timing must have jumped to damage the rockers ?

icedillon · Unread post by **icedillon** » 04 Jun 2006, 23:58

I'm suprised, the belt seemed fine so I'm not sure if it jumped. Maybe had nothing to do with the petrol? engine ran smoothly with no engine light on or anything

Rostami · Unread post by **Rostami** » 05 Jun 2006, 00:19

I do not see any relationship with petrol in the tank and rockers...

How much petrol did you get in the tank and how much diesel was it mixed with? My guess is that you would damage the CR injection system rather than rockers if you had too much petrol in the system.

icedillon · Unread post by **icedillon** » 05 Jun 2006, 00:21

I was thinking similar, I think 20 percent was petrol when I pulled it from the filter drain it wasnt that bad to be honest just a little thin if anything. Why do you think all my rockers have gone then, well all except 2? does anybody know where to get new ones from cheap?

AndersDK · Unread post by **AndersDK** » 05 Jun 2006, 10:01

Does the engine crank OK ?
Then you could do a comp test to check the valves.

Try your local motor factor and Citroen dealer for prices.

Its a wellknown precaution in cold climates to use petrol in diesel fuel for anti-waxing.
- but of course not that high a percentage

Otherwise its pretty common to get heavy "farting" from a diesel exhaust should high concntration of petrol reach the engine.
Probably not on a HDI though - as these diesels would have a Cat.

The only other relation petrol/rockers failure I could ever think off would be something to do with a raised temp and then the valves sticking. But thats strictly taken out of the blue - nothing I've ever heard off.

Unread post by **Peter.N.** » 05 Jun 2006, 12:39

I would be very surprised if the petrol had anything to do with the demise of your rockers, its far more likely to be, as suggested, that the cam belt has slipped a few teeth.

pugxpert · Unread post by **pugxpert** » 05 Jun 2006, 18:14

had a 406 hdi with poor fuel (petrol,water diesel) mix ran untill it stopped,it seized the high pressure pump and cracked the drive sprocket then cambelt jumped and broke rockers,your valve timing must be out to break rockers,if you take head off i bet there is marks on pistons where contact was made.

PowerLee · Unread post by **PowerLee** » 05 Jun 2006, 18:16

Once again for those that have missed it all the other times its happened.

HDI engine + PETROL in the fuel tank = EXPENSIVE DAMAGE!

jeremy · Unread post by **jeremy** » 05 Jun 2006, 20:00

I'm curious! I'm not for a moment suggesting there isn't a link betwen the petrol in the fuel and the valve gear damage. Is Anders theory (which does seem plausible) the reason?

Do 2.2 HDi's do this if they overheat as well?

pugxpert · Unread post by **pugxpert** » 05 Jun 2006, 21:52

i think if the head got that hot so that the valves would seize in there guides the head would have warped as well,all seems a bit of a mystery to me,does it all time up ok on belt?has wood ruff key sheared?

Unread post by **Peter.N.** » 05 Jun 2006, 22:39

I stand corrected

Having never owned an HDI I was only applying what I know about the diesels that I have run for the last 40 years or so, I am not familiar with the common rail system, but I still wouldn't have thought that the relativly small ammount of petrol would have caused all that damage, but it appears that I am wrong.

AndersDK · Unread post by **AndersDK** » 05 Jun 2006, 22:44

PowerLee wrote:Once again for those that have missed it all the other times its happened.

HDI engine + PETROL in the fuel tank = EXPENSIVE DAMAGE!

Me too I stand corrected -
Appearantly we are not permitted to know why ?

icedillon · Unread post by **icedillon** » 05 Jun 2006, 23:08

Well guys,

I am shocked my self. 4 cam followers were broken, I replaced 6 just in case at £9 each, put the belt back on and started it! It ran perfect belive it or not!

I am totally confused with this one although I did notice that the belt was abot loose when I took the covers off, maybe this was teh issue?

DaveW · Unread post by **DaveW** » 05 Jun 2006, 23:26

icedillon wrote:, put the belt back on and started it! .....................although I did notice that the belt was abot loose when I took the covers off, maybe this was teh issue?

Considering the relatively minor additional cost, wouldn't it have been better to fit a new belt just in case.

Dave.

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xantia HDI rockers/pushrods broken! Petrol mixed with Diesel

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