Are any of us bidding on this one?
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oilyspanner
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I know this car / owner [:)]
That 16V is surely worth the value - it's a former prize winner - exceptionally well maintained & tuned up.
It's been modified from injection to twin-carb.
Just the look down the engine bay is impressive - you wont find any like it [8D]
Hope any new owner will take well care of this rare car.
That 16V is surely worth the value - it's a former prize winner - exceptionally well maintained & tuned up.
It's been modified from injection to twin-carb.
Just the look down the engine bay is impressive - you wont find any like it [8D]
Hope any new owner will take well care of this rare car.
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thats hilariously overpriced unless you just want the engine bits. Ive mailed the seller a couple of times concerning the engines low power output of 170bhp for the mods and hes quite honestly replied he doesnt know why thats all its putting out. Its been mapped by Dave Walker of the old CCC magazine and various others and had loads more work and should be putting out around 200. Still nice car for the bx lover I guess
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Oh my god, listen to yourselves!
Chris is trying to see if he can get what he would like for it, and more importantly what its worth!
Tom, you've eveidently never heard about this car before! Very well proven by commenting on it being an 'obviously thrashed car' because you couldnt be more wrong! Okay so i know the car fairly well and know Chris a little better and this car is as straight as you can imagine. It literally looks like its just rolled off the shop floor, there's not a mark on it any where. As for the low power, well thats pretty much why he's sick of the car (and becoming addicted to the Activa!). Every thing has been fixed, cleaned and repaired the second its needed and a lot of time love and affection has been put into it!
But at the same time its driven with a hell of a lot of respect. To be honest Chris is a bit of a chicken and always expecting the worst to happen so doesn't thrash it, gives it regular oil changes, warms it up before giving it any stick. Its a brilliant investment!
Just ask anyone who has seen the car or knows the owner, its worth every penny of the money and should be put into a museum (with the bonnet closed [:)] )
Shane, i know what your saying about keeping it simple, straight and original, but i would hardly call it butchered. Everything looks like it should be in there (bar that carbon look air box!), extra's have been mounted with brackets that look like they where there the day it rolled out of the factory, its pretty amazing. As for keeping it on the Motronic and remapping, this was done, but chris wanted more (guess he didnt get it though), and in all honesty i dont like petrol engines and think he should rip it out and stick a diesel in [:d]
but seriously its a very straight, very impressive car!
Chris is trying to see if he can get what he would like for it, and more importantly what its worth!
Tom, you've eveidently never heard about this car before! Very well proven by commenting on it being an 'obviously thrashed car' because you couldnt be more wrong! Okay so i know the car fairly well and know Chris a little better and this car is as straight as you can imagine. It literally looks like its just rolled off the shop floor, there's not a mark on it any where. As for the low power, well thats pretty much why he's sick of the car (and becoming addicted to the Activa!). Every thing has been fixed, cleaned and repaired the second its needed and a lot of time love and affection has been put into it!
But at the same time its driven with a hell of a lot of respect. To be honest Chris is a bit of a chicken and always expecting the worst to happen so doesn't thrash it, gives it regular oil changes, warms it up before giving it any stick. Its a brilliant investment!
Just ask anyone who has seen the car or knows the owner, its worth every penny of the money and should be put into a museum (with the bonnet closed [:)] )
Shane, i know what your saying about keeping it simple, straight and original, but i would hardly call it butchered. Everything looks like it should be in there (bar that carbon look air box!), extra's have been mounted with brackets that look like they where there the day it rolled out of the factory, its pretty amazing. As for keeping it on the Motronic and remapping, this was done, but chris wanted more (guess he didnt get it though), and in all honesty i dont like petrol engines and think he should rip it out and stick a diesel in [:d]
but seriously its a very straight, very impressive car!
Lacking power? The inlet manifold is shaped to make use of the pulsed air flow of the inlet which is why the lengths of the pipes are as they are. Also the large plenum chamber is used to reduce the velocity of the flow and increase its static pressure. Plus connecting the inlets in this way also allows the pressure waves reflected from the valves of a cylinder to be used by the others.
I am not intending to criticise anybody here but the camshaft/inlet and exhaust manifolds are carefully designed to compliment each other. I doubt anybody has got their calculators out and calculated the optimum geometry for that engine. If you look at a standard engine you can see all this is very carefully designed and Citroen probably did a lot of testing of various dimensions to perfect it.
Another thing people do is to get a pipe going from the airbox to the front of the car to suck cold air in. Again this is something you can easily make a mess of if you haven't any knowledge of fluid flow. To get the most benefit you need to make use of the increase in dynamic pressure of the flow due to the movement of the car. To do this though you need to make the area of the inlet smaller than the area of the plenum chamber. This is because you want to slow the air so that its dynamic pressure (due to its velocity) results in an increase in static pressure. If you look at a Formula 3 car you will see what I mean - they have a rather small nozzle leading to a large plenum chamber which makes use of the dynamic pressure increase of a moving fluid.
Anyway what I'm trying to say is that that manifold is likely to be almost perfect for that enigine and he's took it away. So already he's got to make up for that deficit that he has lost by removing one of the most important pieces of tuning on the engine.
Personally I woudl prefer that car completely standard and if it was mint and original then maybe it would be worth £1500. First of all I would remove the 1.4L Ford Escort look-a-like wheels and put the proper ones back on.
I am not intending to criticise anybody here but the camshaft/inlet and exhaust manifolds are carefully designed to compliment each other. I doubt anybody has got their calculators out and calculated the optimum geometry for that engine. If you look at a standard engine you can see all this is very carefully designed and Citroen probably did a lot of testing of various dimensions to perfect it.
Another thing people do is to get a pipe going from the airbox to the front of the car to suck cold air in. Again this is something you can easily make a mess of if you haven't any knowledge of fluid flow. To get the most benefit you need to make use of the increase in dynamic pressure of the flow due to the movement of the car. To do this though you need to make the area of the inlet smaller than the area of the plenum chamber. This is because you want to slow the air so that its dynamic pressure (due to its velocity) results in an increase in static pressure. If you look at a Formula 3 car you will see what I mean - they have a rather small nozzle leading to a large plenum chamber which makes use of the dynamic pressure increase of a moving fluid.
Anyway what I'm trying to say is that that manifold is likely to be almost perfect for that enigine and he's took it away. So already he's got to make up for that deficit that he has lost by removing one of the most important pieces of tuning on the engine.
Personally I woudl prefer that car completely standard and if it was mint and original then maybe it would be worth £1500. First of all I would remove the 1.4L Ford Escort look-a-like wheels and put the proper ones back on.
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Itdontgo. Oi! heh, they are zx 16v wheels so at least hes kept in the citroen stable!! 
Probably used them as at 15" give you a wider and cheaper choice of tyres than 14" as they are a more common size. Tyres for mine were a lot cheaper than for my friends mr2 on 14'2
Not as bad as escorts ive seen before with 205 gti wheels on etc!
Probably used them as at 15" give you a wider and cheaper choice of tyres than 14" as they are a more common size. Tyres for mine were a lot cheaper than for my friends mr2 on 14'2Not as bad as escorts ive seen before with 205 gti wheels on etc!
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So the guy has spent a lot of money and it is a snail. Tuning a car of this output makes no real sense,especially if it doesn't work. It wasn't fast enough so what was the point if it hasn't been driven hard? However well made it is,
if it doesn't deliver horsepower having been repeatedly dismantled and mended by people who can't get it to work, this one is a liability.
if it doesn't deliver horsepower having been repeatedly dismantled and mended by people who can't get it to work, this one is a liability.
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Jon
I can vouch that this is probably the cleanest BX I've ever seen, spied it at the French Car Show (where I believe it won a prize later that day).
Its odd that the engine is not making more power, I ran one of the first E Reg 16v's about 10 years ago, completely standard apart from a Starchip, and a flywheel figure of 168BHP was achieved at Misbourne Motors rolling road. Dave Walker is widely recognised as the UK's tuning guru, and indeed has a BX 16v in his own collection. What is very interesting is an article by Dave in Performance Classics this month where he talks about fitting adjustable Vernier pulleys to his own car to alter the cam timing. The result after fitting and setting up was that the engine gave no more power, but there was a substantial increase in torque. As the good man stated: "Power sells engines, torque wins races!"
Its odd that the engine is not making more power, I ran one of the first E Reg 16v's about 10 years ago, completely standard apart from a Starchip, and a flywheel figure of 168BHP was achieved at Misbourne Motors rolling road. Dave Walker is widely recognised as the UK's tuning guru, and indeed has a BX 16v in his own collection. What is very interesting is an article by Dave in Performance Classics this month where he talks about fitting adjustable Vernier pulleys to his own car to alter the cam timing. The result after fitting and setting up was that the engine gave no more power, but there was a substantial increase in torque. As the good man stated: "Power sells engines, torque wins races!"
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But on that note it has the same torque as standard so theres clearly something fundamentally wrong with it as dave walker is the guru as you say. Regarding torque, I always knew this but didnt really "know" it until I went in my friends V8 westfield. The way that accelerated in 5th gear from 2000rpm was just totally ridiculous due to the torque