Citroen DS3 1.6 hdi black smoke from exhaust

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Citroen DS3 1.6 hdi black smoke from exhaust

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Hi, I have been searching the forum for clues to what is causing my car to produce smoke during acceleration but am still scratching my head.
Basically, my DS3 1.6 hdi has done 112,000 miles and has been getting gradually worse emissions readings on successive MOT tests. Last year I had to take it away to do an "Italian Tune Up" on the road to burn some crap out and then take it back to the test station, on which it passed. This year, a couple of weeks ago, I did the same before taking it for the test (then the clutch failed on the way but that's another story) and it passed the test but the emission readings are still quite high.
The exhaust pipe was always quite clean until, maybe 18 months ago, when I noticed it getting sootier and not smelling as sweet as it used to. Now it chucks out black smoke when picking up speed off a roundabout and similar situations. There have been no engine management faults thrown up and a basic plug in tester indicates no faults either. I do have the Diagbox equipment, but the refurbished laptop I bought to install the software on for use on my old C5 Tourer has now decided to die.
There is a bit of oil going into the turbo from the PCV valve on the engine top cover and there are a few fumes burbling around the PCV valve and i am waiting for a new one to arrive. That thing - a rubbishy plastic cover with a couple of springs, a diaphragm and a little valve seems a "not very good" design to me. All oils and filters have been recently changed and are changed regularly...so the air filter is clean.
I have been watching videos on YouTube about cleaning EGR valves but they all seem to be on Peugeots, with the job looking a lot easier on them than on my car, especially since the valve on mine is combined with a water cooling assembly and I don't really know how it all comes apart. I have been having a look at the job but there seem to be a lot of gubbins to remove and put back on, when I might only find the valve to be clean. I know there are other things like the DPF and probably other reasons for the smoke but I haven't thought about them yet. The car runs perfectly with no other complaints other than this black smoke, which I would obviously like to sort out. I was a full time Citroen independent specialist for around 25 to 30 years (when life and cars were simpler) and I still try to do all my own work, for reasons of satisfaction and economy, but I am just wondering what my next logical step should be with this problem. I am hoping someone here might be able to give me a clue, please. Thanks in anticipation 8-)
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Re: Citroen DS3 1.6 hdi black smoke from exhaust

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If it has a DPF then it shouldn't smoke at all - if it is DPF and smoking, the DPF is bust. If it's not DPF, then the injectors are probably tired.
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Thanks Richard, the exhaust system consists of a silencer at the rear of the car with a long pipe running all the way to the front, passing under the engine and up in front of the engine to a tall barrel shaped thing, covered in heat shrouding (whatever that is). There are a couple of what I guess are Lambda sensors at the front end too.

So it sounds like it might be the injectors?

John.
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On the 1.6 the DPF is in the vertical can on the front of the engine. Post the VIN (it will auto hide) and we can check for DPF. Pretty sure if it's got a sensor in the top it will be a DPF.
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The VIN no. is VF7**************[VIN obfuscated, can be read by forum staff] thanks
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Yes, DPF fitted on this one(DV6DTED) at the front as Richard said, so looks like the filter is shot / broken up, which is probably why you may be getting the smoke if it's getting past what's left of the internal structure of the filter.
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Oh heck. With a quick look a new one is a minimum of £400 online. It's strange that I have never had any error messages.

I wonder if it is worth putting a good dpf cleaner through it first....
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Halfrauds do an in-situ DPF clean service, but that's about £85 and that's for 'partially blocked' filters. But I don't recommend you put anything in the fuel tank - filters they need to be clean in situ or removed using special chemicals and applied directly into the filter.
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Forum members have said they have had good results by removing the DPF and soaking it in oven cleaner for a while, and then running clean water through it (until it runs clear). They then tell the ECUs that the DPF has been replaced. I cannot personally speak on this, as I have not (yet) had to try it.

The important thing is to be careful with the DPF, as they usually have a ceramic honeycomb within it that may not tolerate rough handling or high pressure water (so don't jet wash the thing!).
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Stick your finger in the tail pipe, if it's got more than a light covering of grey soot in it, the DPF is shot. Best to get an OE used one - aftermarket ones can be (very!) poor quality.
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Randomest post of the day (year?)

For reference the inside of the exhaust on my 2013 3008 1.6hdi
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Many thanks to James, Marc and Richard for your valued advice. For reference, when I put my finger up my tailpipe it comes out very black indeed
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DPF broken then. Get another one put in!
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I have found a DPF which looks very clean for sale which came from a scrappers as a working unit, but the guy never put it on after buying it before Covid because a specialist confirmed that his had no blockage and sorted whatever problem he had otherwise. My car hasn't grown up any codes at all, which is a bit mystifying.

It looks very clean, has all the pipes and wires on it and has the part number DPF K683 / 98085783080. Mine has no markings or stickers that I can see, except a small sticker on the electrical sensor reading K683.

It's up for auction starting at £99 and nobody has bid on it yet and the bid ends in three days, but he would take £170 plus P & P for it, which would be well worth it if it would sort my car out. I guess it would then need to be plugged into a Lexia or other tester to tell the ECU .....There is another clean one for £300 and later ones which claim to be a DPF and a CAT combined?
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How about this as an alternative? I am within easy reach of this company which offers a 24 turnaround for £165 + Vat if you take the part to them.

https://www.dpfservicing.co.uk/news/5/4 ... -DPF-Block