Peugeot 406 - I have been very silly

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Peugeot 406 - I have been very silly

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Greetinngs from down under!!
Synopsis: I have lost a part (x2) that appears to be a) critical and b) unavailable! Naturally I would value advice - especially suggestions of where I might score a couple of these (but also on whether they are 100% necessary). The PSA/Stellantis part number is 352503.

The full story: My 406 (it's a D9 SV, but it's the same on any 406), has failed it's registration check (MOT) due to the rear bushes of the front LCAs or wishbones (does the rear also have Lower Control Arms?) being totally stuffed.

I decided to replace front bushes and ball joints as well, and ordered TRW parts from Spareto (who will ship, at a cost, to Australia). This was much cheaper than purchasing the whole arms (and complete TRW arms were not offered). I paid a local workshop to fit the new bushes, as I lack a press.

Unfortunately, between me and the mechanic, I've lost both the "buffer joints", which form end caps on one end of the front bushes. They are part 8 in the following diagram (see top LH box for picture):
Front LCA and wheel hub, diagram.jpg
It seems to me that without this part (essentially a thick, rubber covered washer) I will have metal to metal contact and significantly increased wear to the bracket that the front bush is bolted into.

In this small sample of part numbers you will see the buffer joints have OEM part # 352503
Front LCA and wheel hub, some part numbers..jpg
This part is marked NFP by PSA/Stellantis, and I have not been able to find any supply from either Australian or overseas suppliers (not even from peugeotcitroendsparts.com). I would be perfectly happy with 2nd hand parts - but I can understand that no-one would want to separate them from an LCA that was at all useable.

I have not yet tried local motor factors (we just call them auto spares shops) to see if they carry anything of similar size and construction not listed for a Peugeot 406.

Interestingly, the arm (Part 2) is sold as a combination of metal arm (labelled 'B'), plus the bushes (labelled 6 & 7). Apparently the buffer joint (#8) and the centreing stud (#9), are not regarded as essential parts of the arm, and yet they both seem vital to the proper installation and operation of the LCA. In some photos of aftermarket LCAs this buffer seems to be present, but I'm not yet desperate enough to order a pair of new LCAs.
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(8) Is a flexible mounting stop. It's the other side to (6) the flexible wishbone arm mounting. (8) goes into the other side to fix it and help keep out any crud before the nut, washer and bolt are put on to keep it together. I suspect without it there will be movement and you will soon get debris inside and the bush will perish much sooner.

You may still be able to get the complete wishbone complete with the bushes. But there are several types, so I'll need your VIN (please post your VIN in full without spaces - it will be automatically masked from public view after submitting your post & will only be visible to staff).
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Thanks Marc - irritating to have to buy whole arms just to get the buffers. I would be inclined to just get the cheapest LCAs I can find that come with the buffers, and use the buffers with my old arms with known good quality bushes.

VIN VF3**************[VIN obfuscated, can be read by forum staff]
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Found an Ali Baba site selling Peugeot 406 lower control arms for $5 - minimum order 100 (per side). I'd be able to keep Australia's 406 owners supplied for the forseeable life of our cars :) :).
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Ok, so if it's the right side wishbone, then this includes B, 6 & 7, and is still available, part: 3521E1, £292.26
406 hubs.PNG
Also one on ebay here for £71.08:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314394303925

Also the left one is here, similar price, part 3520H1:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155547744320
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Thanks Marc - I need both (2x buffers). Those eBay sites offer good prices - sadly the first seller (Howen) doesn't post to Australia, but the 2nd one (Howen) does - I like the 5 year warranty too!!
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Search for "UK Australia forwarding " I have used similar services to get parcels to NZ from UK and USA vendors.
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Autodoc list them, though out of stock
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P.s. ignore the number at top of that page (presumably an Autodoc catalogue number??) I searched for 352503 and this is what came up.


Searching eBay for the same number just gives anti roll bar bushes for an IVECO !
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Good find Matt :D

Alec, If all else fails, if they're what I think they are then making a few on a lathe out of hard nylon (Nylon 66 perhaps) should work... I've made up similar things many times, most notably Activa ram bushes...
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Think I'd go for the "run it without and see what happens" - the bush it's protecting is about a fiver, so unless you had metal to metal and ignored it for a long period, I can't see any severe consequences to just running it as is. Especially as considering a pair of wishbones to try and get what you've lost.

Just to note when I bought replacements of those bushes (GSF I think) they did not come with the buffers included.

The ones on my Coupe are fairly tired, if you find some please post a link as might get a set for mine. Not sure if I'd pay £20 for a set as per the Autodoc details!
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Some good pictures on this Russian site:
https://www.drive2.ru/l/474544821575354082/
The notorious washer!! :)
The notorious washer!! :)
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Widened the Autodoc search, see if any other suitable options.

https://m.autodoc.co.uk/hutchinson/7826883
Out of stock :(

And a load of indicators :(
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MattBLancs wrote: 18 Jul 2023, 08:45 Widened the Autodoc search, see if any other suitable options.

https://m.autodoc.co.uk/hutchinson/7826883
Out of stock :(

And a load of indicators :(
Thanks - appreciate the effort. Also thanks for the Russian photo - my memory of what they look like was getting hazy, and the sketch on the parts diagram is poor. Why is it "notorious" - because it's important but made from pure unobtanium?

Re buying just bushes (not arms)) my research suggests they are never supplied with the bushes #-o - only (presumably) with complete arms. I looked at the new TRW bushes - which seemed extra thick on the one side - and assumed there'd been a redesign and that the bit that fell off one side of the old one wasn't needed.

My own efforts as follows:

Several Australian suppliers (including a Peugeot/Citroen dealer) - nothing

peugeotcitroendsparts.com - 0 results (not listed).

SpareTo lists 2 manufacturers (Hutchinson & Original Imperium) - no supply from either any more.

Alvadi may be able to get them (for a price). They list the same thing twice despite not listing a manufacturer:

"Original spare part, BUFFER JOINT, 352503 OEM
Buffer for 406 LCA.jpg
The other listing costs slightly more, and is expected to ship one day later. Does "Can be ordered 5 pcs" mean they can only be ordered in packs of 5, and if so is the price for one or 5? This did happen with some bungs I bought from peugeotcitroendsparts.com - price listed was for one bung, but they were only sold in packs of 5.

Could anyone offer an opinion on whether Alvadi's listing is likely to be "for real" - since
a) they don't have them in stock (else why the 3 week delay in shipment) and they are supposedly genuine OEM parts
b) My local Peugeot/Citroen dealer replied "No longer available ex-France" (& I think Marc would have corrected me if Service Box still listed them)

My assumption is that they used to be able to get them, and haven't updated the website...
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M24 nylon.jpg
if you have rough dimensions, you can get big nylon washers on Aliexpress

M24 hole is AUD $5.25 for 10 of them