1.6hdi Wrong Engine Oil?

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1.6hdi Wrong Engine Oil?

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I recently had an oil/filter change at Kwik Fit. I phoned ahead to ask what oil they'd use, and I'm certain they said 'low saps', so I decided to let them do it this time round. On the invoice though, I've seen they've used Mobil Super 3000x1 5w40 which is actually mid-saps. Is this going to cause big issues, or should I shorten the interval and change in 6 months? I don't think it had been changed in 12-18 months, so I imagine it will be happier at least.
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My understanding is the 1.6 HDi (in the UK) should be using 5w30 fully synthetic in ACEA C2 spec,

Eurocarparts recons the following details for what your invoice says they've chucked in:
SPECIFICATIONS
ACEA A3/B3,
Categories Engine Oils,
Grade 5w40,
Manufacturer Specification MB 229.3
Oil Type Fully Synthetic,
Range Mobil Super 3000 X1
Size - Ltr5
Type Car Engine Oils
Type Fully Synthetic
https://www.eurocarparts.com/p/mobil-su ... -521772121

So not quite the right viscosity (unlikely a problem) and not the correct ACEA specification, but it is fully synthetic so points to them for that

If you've only verbally off a phone call as to what they said they'd use, I'd think chasing them up about may be likely a fruitless task - but equally worth a try. Its fair to say I am not best placed to advise on garage oil changing experiences (as I've only ever changed my own)

I think I would change it again after a few thousand miles, but I'm a worrier! :)

Did we confirm if yours was with or without a particulate filter? (Apologies if you've told me previously)

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MattBLancs wrote: 07 Apr 2023, 18:14 My understanding is the 1.6 HDi (in the UK) should be using 5w30 fully synthetic in ACEA C2 spec,

Eurocarparts recons the following details for what your invoice says they've chucked in:
SPECIFICATIONS
ACEA A3/B3,
Categories Engine Oils,
Grade 5w40,
Manufacturer Specification MB 229.3
Oil Type Fully Synthetic,
Range Mobil Super 3000 X1
Size - Ltr5
Type Car Engine Oils
Type Fully Synthetic
https://www.eurocarparts.com/p/mobil-su ... -521772121

So not quite the right viscosity (unlikely a problem) and not the correct ACEA specification, but it is fully synthetic so points to them for that

If you've only verbally off a phone call as to what they said they'd use, I'd think chasing them up about may be likely a fruitless task - but equally worth a try. Its fair to say I am not best placed to advise on garage oil changing experiences (as I've only ever changed my own)

I think I would change it again after a few thousand miles, but I'm a worrier! :)

Did we confirm if yours was with or without a particulate filter? (Apologies if you've told me previously)

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I should've done it myself. I don't know what they've done, but there is a very sweet smelling residue left on areas of the bumper (it's not coolant or screenwash), and they also left a screwdriver in the engine bay. In the past, I've spent time and research until I think I've found a mechanic/garage that I trust. I thought Kwik-Fit would be capable of oil/filter change without much hassle, but they've not filled me with confidence and all the guy could say when he was done was "Citroen" before passing me the keys.

I have located the VIN number, but can't establish if it has a DPF. For the sake of the oil they put in, I hope it doesn't, but I think I have a diesel pollution system symbol, so I presume that's a good indicator. Anywhere online I can use the VIN to find out, or any users that may be able to help?

Thanks for your input, it's appreciated.
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I wouldn't worry too much about it. I'd wash the front bumper, who knows what they've sloshed there!?

Oil, look out for offers on the correct C2 grade stuff (and a filter) and then factor in a change when the weather is nice. :) I've done wrong spec oil and then short interval change on my own 1.6 HDi (dropped the oil on a Sunday afternoon and then realised what I had on the garage shelf wasn't the correct stuff! Needed car next day so stuck in the stuff I had.

Thinking about it, it'll be not same brand, but my wrong stuff was the same spec as your current wrong stuff (ACEA A3/B3 though mine was 5w30)


DPF / no DPF = I'll take a picture in the daylight, basically pop the bonnet and look down front heat shield, there's a couple of small stainless steel pipes, can see one from above. If they are present you have a DPF. No pipes, no DPF. Easy on 1.6
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If you sign up to the newsletter from GSF you can find they will give you up to 65% off certain items. I recently bought oil, oil filter and fuel filter from them for around £65. I have no connections with GSF.
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MattBLancs wrote: 07 Apr 2023, 20:24 I wouldn't worry too much about it. I'd wash the front bumper, who knows what they've sloshed there!?

Oil, look out for offers on the correct C2 grade stuff (and a filter) and then factor in a change when the weather is nice. :) I've done wrong spec oil and then short interval change on my own 1.6 HDi (dropped the oil on a Sunday afternoon and then realised what I had on the garage shelf wasn't the correct stuff! Needed car next day so stuck in the stuff I had.

Thinking about it, it'll be not same brand, but my wrong stuff was the same spec as your current wrong stuff (ACEA A3/B3 though mine was 5w30)


DPF / no DPF = I'll take a picture in the daylight, basically pop the bonnet and look down front heat shield, there's a couple of small stainless steel pipes, can see one from above. If they are present you have a DPF. No pipes, no DPF. Easy on 1.6
I've checked in my manual and it does list 5w40 and the oil says it meets the A3/B4 requirement, so hopefully will be ok.

I've also had a look at the heat shields, and there are no metal pipes coming directly from it. There are two parallel, but after watching a few videos, I don't think they are from a DPF.
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Let me have your VIN (please post your VIN in full without spaces - it will be automatically masked from public view after submitting your post & will only be visible to staff) and I'll let you know the oil and answer the DPF issue. There are lots of 1.6 HDi variants.
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Sorry I promised a photo, grabbing dinner then will do as promised.

Had a quick look at difference between B3 and B4 grades. Found the answer or at least think I did, all Greek to me!
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threa ... b4.278948/

Thinking about it I'm not surprised the manual lists 5w40 as ok, though I am surprised about A3/B4 being on the list
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MattBLancs wrote: 08 Apr 2023, 15:10 Sorry I promised a photo, grabbing dinner then will do as promised.

Had a quick look at difference between B3 and B4 grades. Found the answer or at least think I did, all Greek to me!
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threa ... b4.278948/

Thinking about it I'm not surprised the manual lists 5w40 as ok, though I am surprised about A3/B4 being on the list
Thanks, appreciated.

I've confirmed that there is some type of oil leak. It literally seems to be one drop every 6 hours, or a drop after driving. I can't jack the car up because of my gravel driveway, but managed to get a torch on the sump pan, and it looks messy with old oil.

If a sump pan was oily, would a mechanic give it a wipe when changing oil or just crack on. I wish Kwik Fit could do the simple job of a headsup.
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I've already put together 2 guides on PSA oil - links in this post:

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Re: 1.6hdi Wrong Engine Oil?

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MattBLancs wrote: 09 Apr 2023, 09:34 Image

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Perfect, thanks.

Nothing attached to the heat shields but a couple of pipes alongside, but don't think it's DPF.
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What do you make of the dipstick reading, does this look overfilled, or is it just on the limit and the round section above is picking oil up because it rubs along the pipe? I'm also guessing that oil change in a diesel turns this black pretty soon after?
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Give it a wipe, in + out again should normally be bit clearer to see. I think it's bang on the max line, all ok.

Yes diesel oil remains clear and golden, as new for about 30 seconds when engine started, after which point it's black opaque again! 1.6 HDi has quite a quantity retained of old oil in the sump - see here as why:
viewtopic.php?p=750661#p750661
Which doesn't help the effect. Also quite a small sump, so less new oil to dilute the old black filth each time.
Or short version - it's fine don't worry.

Agree, based on your pictures think no DPF fitted on yours.
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MattBLancs wrote: 09 Apr 2023, 20:57 Give it a wipe, in + out again should normally be bit clearer to see. I think it's bang on the max line, all ok.

Yes diesel oil remains clear and golden, as new for about 30 seconds when engine started, after which point it's black opaque again! 1.6 HDi has quite a quantity retained of old oil in the sump - see here as why:
viewtopic.php?p=750661#p750661
Which doesn't help the effect. Also quite a small sump, so less new oil to dilute the old black filth each time.
Or short version - it's fine don't worry.

Agree, based on your pictures think no DPF fitted on yours.
When I had a Peugeot van with the 1.6 engine the fleet service engineer would jack up the van (on the opposite side from the sump plug) as high as possible, to gat as much of the oil out as possible. Yes, there was some residue left, but considerably less than how much would be left if the van had remained level throughout the servicing.
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