Diag Box Faulty on my 2012 Berlingo

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Diag Box Faulty on my 2012 Berlingo

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Hi all, my lovely Lingo pooped it's pants as I pulled out of a car park. ABS, ESP, ASR, GEARBOX etc.

Plugged in Diagbox, but it can't find Vin... input it manually, got that hopeless Lexia (I prefer diagbox) telling me NO FAULTS FOUND! Yet I can only manually get to 3rd and the dash is quite clear in its assertion that there IS a fault.

So, I tried speaking to the BDI, but not found. Blah, blah, blah...

So, I'm looking like a bit of a plum with my Lexia DiagBox plugged in doing naff all.

I'm actually getting a very expensive Scan Tool tomorrow (I'm thinking the car knows it's coming and wants to see how good it is 😄) so maybe it'll have better luck.

Anyone know why it's not playing "le balle?"

Thanks all.
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Re: Diag Box Faulty on my 2012 Berlingo

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First thing is you should really be using Diagbox for a 2012 vehicle.... so maybe that's because it can't detect the vehicle and is using Lexia by default which may be pretty much useless for this year.

Have you connected using Diagbox and ran a global scan in the past? I'm trying to rule out if your VCI is not capable of talking to the vehicle (missing components on cheaper clones) or whether it has worked on Diagbox previously in which case the VCI may have a wiring fault on the board.
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Re: Diag Box Faulty on my 2012 Berlingo

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GiveMeABreak wrote: 26 Jan 2023, 19:23 First thing is you should really be using Diagbox for a 2012 vehicle.... so maybe that's because it can't detect the vehicle and is using Lexia by default which may be pretty much useless for this year.

Have you connected using Diagbox and ran a global scan in the past? I'm trying to rule out if your VCI is not capable of talking to the vehicle (missing components on cheaper clones) or whether it has worked on Diagbox previously in which case the VCI may have a wiring fault on the board.
I thought Diag was good up to 2016!?

I did try global scan, but not a peep. I went through every available process.

1st time I have used it on the Lingo. My money os on an ABS sensor....
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Re: Diag Box Faulty on my 2012 Berlingo

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From what you posted, I read that you reverted to 'Lexia' which is why I mentioned you should be using Diagbox.
Lexia is really for vehicles roughly 2007 and earlier and anything later use Diagbox - but the system should detect this. If it isn't detecting this then there's likely to be a fault with your VCI or its connection, hard to diagnose from here of course.

Assuming you are using Diagbox V7, what exact version of Diagbox are you using?
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Re: Diag Box Faulty on my 2012 Berlingo

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GiveMeABreak wrote: 27 Jan 2023, 12:34 From what you posted, I read that you reverted to 'Lexia' which is why I mentioned you should be using Diagbox.
Lexia is really for vehicles roughly 2007 and earlier and anything later use Diagbox - but the system should detect this. If it isn't detecting this then there's likely to be a fault with your VCI or its connection, hard to diagnose from here of course.

Assuming you are using Diagbox V7, what exact version of Diagbox are you using?
Ahh yes, it didn't offer DiagBox. It couldn't find the chassis number or the BSI so could be an issue... What can cause such a fault, not finding the VCI? Could it be a fuse? I believe it's an ex taxi, so who knows what muppetry was done in its life before me. My son noted the seatbelt warnings & beeps don't happen in the Lingo. I never took any notice because I'm a grown up and don't need to be "told" by a car to fasten my safety belt :lol:
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Re: Diag Box Faulty on my 2012 Berlingo

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The VCI is the Vehicle Communications Interface (the hardware in the Lexia kit that connects to the Diagnostic port and your laptop). Several possibilities can prevent connections:

1) You don't have a full chip interface (missing hardware on the VCI boards so it won't communicate with later vehicles)
2) There is a loose or bad solder joint on the VCI board that holds the wires onto the board (pulling and straining the cord on the VCI can weaken these).

It is possible something has been altered by a previous owner of course, but that should not prevent the VCI from communicating with the engine ECU unless somebody has remapped or altered the engine ECU for some dubious reason....
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Re: Diag Box Faulty on my 2012 Berlingo

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My new Autel MaxiPRO MP808TS arrived and boy is it good! :luv:

Plugged into the Lingo and found a lot of codes, some expected, some not!

Intermittent fault: The quantity of additive injected into the PEF is above the upper limit.... Ummm, didn't get any warnings or any issues with the car. The engine is sweet as.

Permanent fault: Engine torque not cleared. Whatever that means #-o

Permanent fault: Fault in signal of LF WSS consistency. OK, so ABS sensor knackered.....or is it?

Intermittent fault: As above, but with added open circuit, short circuit to positive or to ground! So I figured I would erase the fault and see what happened. That was on Sunday, she hasn't put a foot wrong since! 8-[

Unexpected re-initialisation fault coming from the BSI... Could that have created the ghost ABS fault?

And finally, 2 engine fuse box faults, fully expected as I have LED headlamps installed and they're so good that the car has passed 2 mot's with them. The beams are perfect, the kick up clean and the light is just the correct side of useful. But they are being picked up by the car as faulty.

Looks like I have a ghost in the machine, but so far I can live with it. Any ideas on the PEF or the Engine Torque permanent fault?

So the next question is, should I sell my DiagBox & laptop with all the bits? The only trouble is the new laptop battery is good for about half an hour. Other than that, its excellent.
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Re: Diag Box Faulty on my 2012 Berlingo

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Doo wrote: 31 Jan 2023, 12:24

Intermittent fault: The quantity of additive injected into the PEF is above the upper limit.... Ummm, didn't get any warnings or any issues with the car. The engine is sweet as.

Permanent fault: Engine torque not cleared. Whatever that means #-o
Do you happen to have the P codes ? The first one sounds like the DPF is getting full (of Eolys, not soot), might be needing a clean soon.
I think the other one is just a consequence of one of the other faults, if its the code i think it is on Lexia/Diagbox it says something along the lines of Torque value information received on the CAN incorrect & is normally brought on by other engine management faults.

Autel is great kit, not used your specific model but apart from online software updating I doubt there is anything it cant do that Diagbox can & you will likely find there is things Autel can do that Diagbox cant.
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Re: Diag Box Faulty on my 2012 Berlingo

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GiveMeABreak wrote: 26 Jan 2023, 19:23 First thing is you should really be using Diagbox for a 2012 vehicle....
Hi, Marc, you've briefly assisted me in the past so hoping you can help me again now. I've asked on several open threads already but I've having no responses.

I've a 2015/16 Peugeot Expert 2.0 HDi 130bhp. VIN: VF3**************[VIN obfuscated, can be read by forum staff]


What version of Diagbox do I need? I currently have v7.76 on an xp laptop working fine, though it does suggest not all ECU's can be read. ABS for instance.

Thanks.
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Re: Diag Box Faulty on my 2012 Berlingo

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Hi

Your vehicle was built on 26th November 2015, so is towards the later end of Diagbox 7's life span. On top of that it's a commercial vehicle so may well need the S1279 interface being an Expert 3. Hard to say as although you have a PSA engine (DW10CD) it was also used by Fiat and Suzuki and Ford, Volvo so that may be one reason that the additional module is required to read some ECUs.

But it may be that the version of Diagbox you have (7.76) which was released on 7th July 2015. There may be some updates to the ECUs on your vehicle that it can't read and that may be a reason too.
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GiveMeABreak wrote: 31 Jan 2023, 17:26 On top of that it's a commercial vehicle so may well need the S1279 interface being an Expert 3.
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Re: Diag Box Faulty on my 2012 Berlingo

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GiveMeABreak wrote: 31 Jan 2023, 17:26 Hi

Your vehicle was built on 26th November 2015, so is towards the later end of Diagbox 7's life span. On top of that it's a commercial vehicle so may well need the S1279 interface being an Expert 3. Hard to say as although you have a PSA engine (DW10CD) it was also used by Fiat and Suzuki and Ford, Volvo so that may be one reason that the additional module is required to read some ECUs.

But it may be that the version of Diagbox you have (7.76) which was released on 7th July 2015. There may be some updates to the ECUs on your vehicle that it can't read and that may be a reason too.
Thank you for taking the time. If I could push you then to resolve my most recent issue of not being able to update to v7.82. I type in the Maitresox01 password and nothing at all happens. I'm wondering if the file might be corrupt or it simply won't work with my laptop and XP?

are there any known common reasons why it won't update from 7.76 to 7.82 and then 7.83?
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Re: Diag Box Faulty on my 2012 Berlingo

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wheeler wrote: 31 Jan 2023, 16:43
Doo wrote: 31 Jan 2023, 12:24

Intermittent fault: The quantity of additive injected into the PEF is above the upper limit.... Ummm, didn't get any warnings or any issues with the car. The engine is sweet as.

Permanent fault: Engine torque not cleared. Whatever that means #-o
Do you happen to have the P codes ? The first one sounds like the DPF is getting full (of Eolys, not soot), might be needing a clean soon.
I think the other one is just a consequence of one of the other faults, if its the code i think it is on Lexia/Diagbox it says something along the lines of Torque value information received on the CAN incorrect & is normally brought on by other engine management faults.

Autel is great kit, not used your specific model but apart from online software updating I doubt there is anything it cant do that Diagbox can & you will likely find there is things Autel can do that Diagbox cant.
Hi, the P code is P1445.

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Doo
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Re: Diag Box Faulty on my 2012 Berlingo

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Can one of the moderators please edit my title?

My phone loves mess thing up :roll:

It should read "Diag Box Faulty on my 2012 Berlingo!"

Thank you :)
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Sorted. 👍
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