cut out after filling up at garage

[sanderman James]

hi, a new member,
car,, 2016 peugeot 3008 1.6 bluehdi allure 120 EAT6 automatic..67,900 miles peugeot service history
my wife filled up with diesel at garage was half full before filling, after 10 mile started juddering then cleared then 1/2 mile later come to a stop, car recovered to garage, fuel tank emptied and flushed fuel filter had water and sludge inside,new fuel filter fitted, started car was not running well would not idle properly was trying to cut out and when gas pedal was pressed it cut out, never had a problem with car before.garage are doing more checks tomorrow,including injectors and other things, could you give me advice what injectors do peugeot dealers use and what would you reccomend as best injectors to use if these are needed, i am not a mechanic so any help would be great,,James

[GiveMeABreak]

The injectors are specific to the engine and are not cheap. It sounds like either petrol has been put into the diesel tank to suddenly cause this reaction - I've seen it before and not a good idea with a high pressure diesel if that is the case.

Assuming the above is the case, apart from cleaning the fuel tank out, the actual fuel tank pump may need replacing too, as these rarely survive.

If you are sure the tank was not filled with petrol then the fuel system needs a thorough clean, so would get some diesel fuel system cleaner into the tank for the next 3-4 tank fulls of fuel to try and clear any muck out of it.

It happened to my HDi Xantia when they changed over the fuel pumps at a Tesco station and ended up putting petrol in - again about half a tank. I didn't need injectors, but it did require the tank draining, filter and a new fuel tank pump to get rid of the stuttering and stalling.

[sanderman James]

thanks for your reply Marc.
definitely diesel put in tank have been in contact with trading standards, the garage the wife filled up at most of pumps were out of use, I have 2 1/2 containers of contaminated diesel which come out of car, the garage said it does not need to test or want them as they know it will have sludge and water in them all cars do ??, the car was running like a dream till the fill up, I will see what garage come up with today, let you know how I get on, james

[Ross_K]

Might be worth involving your insurance company. Keep your receipt and fuel sample in case you need to make a claim.

The garage's explanation ("all cars have sludge in the fuel") doesn't make any sense, and is just a fob-off. The sludge and water contamination's most likely to have come from their storage tanks.

The fact that other pumps were out of use suggests that their storage tank may have been running low after the holiday period, and you got the crap from the bottom of the tank.

Trading standards may be reluctant to do anything in the absence of other complaints, but let us know how you get on...

[wheeler]

To go down the trading standards route I reckon you would really need a sample directly from the pump at the fuel station, I'm sure the seller of the fuel would argue it could have been contaminated inside your fuel tank. Either that of as said above lots of other complaints from the same place.

[sanderman James]

hi.
injectors sent away and tested, results are they are perfect, garage has sent away for fuel rail before injectors put back in.
what would you recommend next fuel pressure sensor,in tank fuel pump, or main fuel pump, in what order,
I just hope after all this that that is not engine failure,

[Gibbo2286]

Having owned a petrol station I can tell you that the "Dregs from the bottom of the tank." argument doesn't work, tanks, like cars don't lift fuel from the bottom there's a sump area that the lift pipe doesn't reach and is never used there for just that reason, also tanks are dipped frequently with water detecting material to check for the presence of water.

The most common reason for water in the car's tank is wading the car through floods or deep fords and water getting sucked into the tank via the tank breather.

Early Minis were notorious for that, the tank breather on many was hanging into a trough in the sub-frame.

[Dormouse]

Having owned a petrol station I can tell you that the "Dregs from the bottom of the tank." argument doesn't work, tanks, like cars don't lift fuel from the bottom there's a sump area that the lift pipe doesn't reach and is never used there for just that reason, also tanks are dipped frequently with water detecting material to check for the presence of water.

The most common reason for water in the car's tank is wading the car through floods or deep fords and water getting sucked into the tank via the tank breather.

Early Minis were notorious for that, the tank breather on many was hanging into a trough in the sub-frame.

From my experiences, if a storage tank does have any contaminants in it, then usually more than one vehicle is affected and a sample of fuel can show that if it is done at the time. The whole system is well thought out and can't just suck up the odd dose of rubbish at random. Filling station staff are required to keep up to date logs and follow strict procedures when tanks are re-filled, as you will well know if you owned a Petrol Station. Problems can occur, as the reports of issues at an Asda station in Wales hit the headlines last week, but they are pretty few and far between. A verifiable fuel sample from the Pump at the Petrol Station is now not possible - only an unverifiable sample from the materials recovered by the garage who drained the fuel system.

[sanderman James]

thanks for your replies,
car still in garage, I just can't understand why car was running great before filling and when filled cutting out on way home approx 1 litre of fuel used,
Morrisons cars contaminated recently, and at a Tesco petrol station recently, cars contaminated cost to Tesco for car repairs 8 million pounds' makes you wonder doesn't it.

[Ross_K]

Having owned a petrol station I can tell you that the "Dregs from the bottom of the tank." argument doesn't work, tanks, like cars don't lift fuel from the bottom there's a sump area that the lift pipe doesn't reach and is never used there for just that reason, also tanks are dipped frequently with water detecting material to check for the presence of water.

There are plenty of reports in the media and anecdotally of people buying contaminated fuel.

Perhaps it never happened during your time operating a petrol station (and maybe "dregs from the bottom of the tank" is a slight exaggeration) but can you say with 100% certainty that it's impossible to buy contaminated fuel?

[Dormouse]

thanks for your replies,
car still in garage, I just can't understand why car was running great before filling and when filled cutting out on way home approx 1 litre of fuel used,
Morrisons cars contaminated recently, and at a Tesco petrol station recently, cars contaminated cost to Tesco for car repairs 8 million pounds' makes you wonder doesn't it.

Contamination often occurs just after a fuel delivery. Are you aware of any other issues at that garage and or was the delivery tanker there when the fuel was dispensed?