Should I swap my 1.6hdi C5 X7 for a 163hp 2.0hdi C5 X7?

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Should I swap my 1.6hdi C5 X7 for a 163hp 2.0hdi C5 X7?

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Hello, lovely people of this forum.

The title says it all. I am pondering not continuing to own my 2008 1.6hdi Tourer and instead get a 2.0hdi (but one with 163bhp, I miss having more power on tap).

On paper, it seems like a good idea. It will be newer (163hp 2 litres are only from 2010 onwards, methinks) and I plan to get one with less miles. The engine is way more powerful and thus, won't strain in so many situations (uphill, carrying a full load and/or compliment of passengers, motorway speeds, overtaking) like my current powerplant does, it's smoother and quieter and it has longer legs with that sixth gear. Consumption figures aren't worlds apart either, and I would like the hydropneumatic suspension, something not available on 1.6 litre engined-models, though that's more of a personal choice.

However, in the real world I'm not so sure, because I have no extensive experience with a 2.0hdi, and I don't know what it's like to live with. Is it much better than the 1.6hdi or just slightly? Does anyone have some first-hand experience, by chance?
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Re: Should I swap my 1.6hdi C5 X7 for a 163hp 2.0hdi C5 X7?

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The 163 DW10CTED4 was the later update to the 138 / 140 DW10BTED4 engine. It is a Euro 5 vehicle and had quite a few modifications over the previous model - however that also brought a fair share of newer issues (coolant, EGR, Fusebox and other niggles). So if you want the extra power and better fuel economy, go ahead.

Be aware of common issues on the X7, specifically the steering rack leaks which have hit many of us (some of us are on our third racks), but you can undertake a mod to try and protect the pinion. Be aware that some high pressure power steering pipes are getting rare and are no longer available from Citroen and as you are probably aware the X7 was the last vehicle with Hydractive 3+ suspension. Parts for these models are going to become rarer at some point including suspension pipes, pump motors etc., so be aware of this.

If budget allows, you may want to consider the C5 Aircross with later more economical engines and PHC for suspension which are quite comfortable to ride in.
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Re: Should I swap my 1.6hdi C5 X7 for a 163hp 2.0hdi C5 X7?

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GiveMeABreak wrote:
08 Jun 2022, 16:08
The 163 DW10CTED4 was the later update to the 138 / 140 DW10BTED4 engine. It is a Euro 5 vehicle and had quite a few modifications over the previous model - however that also brought a fair share of newer issues (coolant, EGR, Fusebox and other niggles). So if you want the extra power and better fuel economy, go ahead.

Be aware of common issues on the X7, specifically the steering rack leaks which have hit many of us (some of us are on our third racks), but you can undertake a mod to try and protect the pinion. Be aware that some high pressure power steering pipes are getting rare and are no longer available from Citroen and as you are probably aware the X7 was the last vehicle with Hydractive 3+ suspension. Parts for these models are going to become rarer at some point including suspension pipes, pump motors etc., so be aware of this.


Thanks once again, Marc, definitely food for thought as my current 1.6hdi has been very reliable indeed.
GiveMeABreak wrote:
08 Jun 2022, 16:08
If budget allows, you may want to consider the C5 Aircross with later more economical engines and PHC for suspension which are quite comfortable to ride in.
I appreciate the recommendation, but the C5 X7 has been so brilliant, it's why I want another! Plus, I can't stand SUVs and it is way beyond what I'm willing to spend. A 2018 C5 Aircross will set me back €25,000, while a 2010 C5 Tourer in good nick can be had for under €10k.
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Re: Should I swap my 1.6hdi C5 X7 for a 163hp 2.0hdi C5 X7?

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Okay I don't have exactly that car but have had several 1.6hdi's. A 2007 C4 and a 2013 DS4. Very competant and very economical cars indeed. I, like you would have prefered a little more power and so swapped to a 2015 DS4 2.0hdi EAT6 car with 180bhp. It's brilliant! Its not limitless power but it really does move well, particularly overtaking. My local mpg differs summer to winter with local trips averageing 51 mpg summer and about 46 mpg winter but with long runs at motorwat speeds getting 55 - 58 mpg summer and winter. Not your C5 I know but its about the same power train from PSA. I have now had the car over 4 years and I have no idea what I would replace it with as I've not found anything that beats it for me.
If it were me the upgrade would be a no contest :)
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Re: Should I swap my 1.6hdi C5 X7 for a 163hp 2.0hdi C5 X7?

Post by admiral51 »

I cannot comment on the Tourer never had one but i did have a saloon 08 plate with the 1.6 which was neglected by myself in service terms which ultimately led it to being called the Devil car but is still going strong after some TLC and in the hands of another forum member.
I do currently have a 2010 saloon with the 163 BHP engine and yes there is a big improvement in get up and go yet the 1.6 did return over a 900+ mile round trip over 55 mpg with 3 adults a Border Collie and boot full of luggage being driven sensibly but not slowly.
The 2010 is a different in terms of where it delivers the get up and go and does have a 6 speed box, from memory the 1.6 had a 5 speed but happy to be corrected, and to be honest there is not a lot in terms of mpg between them depending on how you drive but i would say i prefer the 163 bhp it just seems to be the right fit for the car.
Both were on springs but be aware different specs have different springs so the ride maybe a little harder than expected, i know Peter N has 2 Tourers on springs and has commented on different ride quality.
I also have a 2010 C4 Exclusive that to be honest can be a bit scary, it has a 2.0 diesel which i think gives 155 bhp, ride is not harsh but not as soft as the C5 but with a 6 speed box its averaging 53.4 mpg over 3k miles and when i say scary its because you go to overtake someone sat at 65mph and put your foot down suddenly you are close to 90mph .
Ultimately i prefer the C5 for its comfort but the C4 (maybe DS4 in disguise ? ) does run it close

Colin