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407 Bosch ECU compatibility

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Hi

I'm trying to work out how I decide if a donor Bosch ECU (with matching BSI and key transponder) will work with my car (2004 v6 petrol 407 VIN VF3**************[VIN obfuscated, can be read by forum staff] XXXXX )

What numbers on the ECU label really matter (and any ideas what they mean).

I've attached three ECU label photos

1. my current car
2. nsw donor car
3. wa donor car

Also the ECU ID report out of Diag, which only seems to care about the PSA Part Number 96.485.547.80, which is on all of the ECU's (top right hand corner) and the additional number 96.558.787.80 ( which looks like the original software version ??)

Also the repair ID readout out of Diag which only has a reference software number of 96.636.967.80
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Just match the 9648554780 part. All the BSIs may have a different software applied depending on the date they were manufactured and if they have since had a BSI software update.

Even though these are a matched set, are the donor BSI, Engine ECU and Transponder chip from the same vehicle with the same engine?

If they are you shouldn't have an issue, but you will still need to go into the BSI at some point and check that all the optional equipment and items like the gearbox are the same as your vehicle - so before fitting a replacement, I strongly suggest you go through the BSI configuration and take some screen dumps of your original BSI settings and ditto for the engine ECU pages too. That way you can make sure the entries on the donor vehicle match up.
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Re: 407 Bosch ECU compatibility

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Thanks Marc

Assuming they are a matched set, I read some where that Peugeot used pretty much the same BSI and I assume I can config it via Diag.

Of interest, what do the rest of the numbers mean ?

The nsw donar one pic one is off a 2006 coupe ES9A (VF3**************[VIN obfuscated, can be read by forum staff]) where as mine is a 4 door but still ES9A (based on service box) - I assume at worst I have to configure the rear windows or does the BSI work it out itself ?

I also have one offered that is off an 2007 estate VF3**************[VIN obfuscated, can be read by forum staff], again with a ES9A engine (based on servicebox) .

I assume both will work (one is $100 less :) )
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PSA as they were then used BSIs across the marques. On release the earlier models could of had one of three levels of BSI installed according to equipment and trim, but on later models these were consolidated and only the top level BSI was used.

The BSI on connection should detect the additional ECUs on the vehicle - or the reverse scenario is that it may show an ECU that was previously present but now absent as it was previously configured.

As for the other numbers on the engine ECU above, I know that the 0261****** number under BOSCH is the Bosch's internal part number for the specific ECU.

But you just need to make sure that the BSI and / or engine ECU are configured ok or match your vehicle - hence the screen shots of original configuration will be really helpful. They even do this at the dealers, as an automatic configuration download still needs to be manually checked.
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407 wrote: 03 Sep 2021, 10:47
The nsw donar one pic one is off a 2006 coupe ES9A (VF3**************[VIN obfuscated, can be read by forum staff]) where as mine is a 4 door but still ES9A (based on service box) - I assume at worst I have to configure the rear windows or does the BSI work it out itself ?

I also have one offered that is off an 2007 estate VF3**************[VIN obfuscated, can be read by forum staff], again with a ES9A engine (based on servicebox) .
The ECU's & BSI's both have different part numbers on those 2 cars.
That doesn't necessarily mean the wont work though but they were both fitted with different part numbers from the factory.
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Re: 407 Bosch ECU compatibility

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Thanks

the two BSI' also look slightly different re fuse and wiring configs but look like they are all there re plugs, just in different positions. Still work ??

I finally found the BSI label on mine (at the bottom) and its 96.552.210.80 plus BSI-S02-00 S120104700 J

I'll check with the wreckers what BSI number they have

Can I ask where you get the built parts data from as I can't see it / find it on the public service box .
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Re: 407 Bosch ECU compatibility

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Official live parts data is not available from PSA publicly with subscription, it's what you can request from us as a qualifying donor member though. The official part numbers are PSA internal numbers used by service to order parts for your vehicle - they are not always the same part numbers you will see on the parts or part labels though.

As for the BSI - your was an early build and the question is what type of BSI you had fitted as there were a few types it could of been even with your VIN and build number. I think later vehicles again had a one size fits all BSI.

The S02-02 number in the picture means this is a 'SAGEM' 'Mid-Range BSI'.

Peugeot 407 BSI identification:
S01-00 Was the bottom of the range
S02-00 Was the middle of the range
S03-00 Was the top of the range

But as I mentioned, later on, if a replacement was needed, they fitted the top of the range BSI to consolidate costs most likely.

So that should help you, but in either case, if replacing it, you will still need to check the configuration / options matches your existing BSI.
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Re: 407 Bosch ECU compatibility

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Finally got some pics of the donor car (2007 estate) ECU/ BSI

Seems ECU is okay re part number 964 855 4780 but the BSI starts with a H02 and has a different 96 part number ?

Is this the magic numbering system you mentioned above :) or am I out of luck on this matched set ?
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That BSI is a Johnson Controls (JCAE) Cross range Light 2004 BSI, with the H02-00 /01 being a top of the range version without LIN (Local Interconnect Network).

But there seems to be some confusion, as this particular top of the range level of the JCAE version (H02-00 / 01) without LIN shows it was not fitted to the 407. Only the Top of the range H01-00 /01 with LIN is shown as fitted to the 407

There were other JCAE versions fitted to the 407 - but these were only the Bottom of the range H04-00/01 & H06-00/01 JCAE BSIs. The Mid range JCAE HS03-00/01 was never fitted to the 407.

Which asks the question as to whether this Donor BSI has been previously replaced before being scrapped.

I would suggest that as the LIN is an important part of the multiplexed system - having the version with or without it is critically important for correct operation.
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Re: 407 Bosch ECU compatibility

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Thanks Marc

to make matters "worse", the other matched donor ECU they have also has is also a H02 BSI (a 2006 coupe based on the VIN VF3**************[VIN obfuscated, can be read by forum staff])

Was this some weird Australian only build that used the H02 BSI ?

What does the LIN do / control ?

I don't think my car has the kangaroo avoidance system fitted :)
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The LIN is basically a cheaper way of providing multiplexing and is used to support vehicle sub-systems and compliment the more expensive CAN network. It's a serial communication protocol and typically used for non-critical systems and where speed is not such an issue. So you won't find it used for safety systems communications or the like.
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