Can anyone tell me if this is the speed sensor?

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Can anyone tell me if this is the speed sensor?

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Hi all,Hi all, I have a 2004 Berlingo 1.4i van and the speedo shows around 10kmh more than what I am actually doing. I have searched high and low for the speed sensor unit and this is the only thing that I’m thinking it could possibly be.

If it isn’t, can someone please point me in the right direction.

Many thanks
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That's it.
The instrument is just a voltmeter, so possible that it is over-reading. If the reading is steady and consistent, it could even be just a matter of realigning the pointer - a delicate job, usually.
Someone here may have come across the fault before. Do post your VIN, which could help.
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white exec wrote:
08 Feb 2020, 08:21
That's it.
The instrument is just a voltmeter, so possible that it is over-reading. If the reading is steady and consistent, it could even be just a matter of realigning the pointer - a delicate job, usually.
Someone here may have come across the fault before. Do post your VIN, which could help.
Thanks Chris, my VIN is VF7**************[VIN obfuscated, can be read by forum staff]. I have also just read an interesting article which states “ European law (ECE-R39) says speedometers cannot show speeds less than the actual speed, and they must never show more than the 110 per cent of actual speed plus 4 km/h. So, under those rules, a car could be moving at 100 km/h, but the speedometer could legally display as high as 114 km/h”.

So I’m wondering if the speedo is actually working? I know that when I’m doing 100kmh my speedo is showing around the 114 km/h mark.

If this is the case is then my speedo might be calibrated to that law and if so, is there any way I can calibrate it accordingly to reflect the correct speed of travel?

I’ve also noticed that my speedo doesn’t have a starting point of 0 km/h and starts from 10 km/h, is this how they were manufactured or is my pointer thats out of whack?
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Do you have the correct tires fitted to the car? Different size than factory spec will also influence the speed indicated vs actual speed.
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Blazer811 wrote:
08 Feb 2020, 06:14
Hi all,Hi all, I have a 2004 Berlingo 1.4i van and the speedo shows around 10kmh more than what I am actually doing. I have searched high and low for the speed sensor unit and this is the only thing that I’m thinking it could possibly be.

If it isn’t, can someone please point me in the right direction.

Many thanks
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furriegurrie wrote:
08 Feb 2020, 09:02
Do you have the correct tires fitted to the car? Different size than factory spec will also influence the speed indicated vs actual speed.
If the gear box is the same but a differnt model then the sensor will be the same wheel size can make a difference to speed smaller wheels make needle lift quicker and vice versa , that's my experience a few years back, if it makes sence
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What are you checking the speedometer reading against? Satnav/phone or similar?

For a definitive check, your local police may be able to tell you where their "measured mile" is located - usually marks on a stretch of road, or posts at the side. Drive it at steady indicated 60mph, and see if it takes 60s. Good, old-fashioned stuff.

Common for speedos not to start at 0mph, because of errors below 5∼10mph. Should be reasonably accurate (±10%) from 20mph upwards. Worth checking the tyre size - often labelled on an A-pillar.
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As I understand it vehicles can have an error of 10% OVER the actual speed of the vehicle, but 0% UNDER the actual speed (although in the UK the speedometer can legally show 10% + 6.25MP/H over the true speed, but not above this). This means that you should never be unknowingly speeding.

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It is just the way they build these cars. The German and Japanese manufacturers seem to manage to fit speedometers that are accurate to a km/h or two, but PSA can't.

As a point of reference, our 308 over-reads by 4 km/h at 50, 6 kn/h between 60 and 100 km/h. You just learn the correct indicated points for each speed limit.

You can't fix it by altering the gearing of the speed sensor, as the engine ECU is programmed with the ratio of engine RPM to wheel RPM for each gear and gets upset if the ratio appears to be wrong. Maybe the needle on the speedometer could be moved, but that does not help if there is also a digital speed readout.
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I have found that the Citroen C5 Mk1 has a VERY accurate speedometer. Compared against a Sat Nav both my previous C5 and my current C5 are almost exactly spot on.
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Physically moving the needle could be an option.
If the instrument is just a voltmeter, driven from the ECU, then a simple adjustment pot on its input might give you (adjustable) correction, to dial back over-reading. Depends on how the instrument is built. Some even have an internal adjustment pot built in.
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Hell Razor5543 wrote:
08 Feb 2020, 20:23
I have found that the Citroen C5 Mk1 has a VERY accurate speedometer. Compared against a Sat Nav both my previous C5 and my current C5 are almost exactly spot on.
I'll second that James. I was quite surprised at how accurate it is and that is over two cars.
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As I understand it the C5 Mk1 uses the ABS sensors for the speedometer, and not a gearbox sensor (although I could be wrong).
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If the error is always the same figure, eg +10km/h, across the scale, then reposition the needle.
If the error is a % over-read - eg 22 at 20, 44 at 40, 77 at 70 - then you need to attenuate the voltage driving the meter coil/needle.

If the latter, and you are not able to open up the instrument to examine/adjust, then Speedy Cables, in S.Wales, will correct this for you if you tell them the exact % over-read.

These instruments work by taking a frequency (from gearbox sensor or ABS ring), and converting it linearly to a voltage, which the speedo displays.
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white exec wrote:
08 Feb 2020, 09:58
What are you checking the speedometer reading against? Satnav/phone or similar?

For a definitive check, your local police may be able to tell you where their "measured mile" is located - usually marks on a stretch of road, or posts at the side. Drive it at steady indicated 60mph, and see if it takes 60s. Good, old-fashioned stuff.

Common for speedos not to start at 0mph, because of errors below 5∼10mph. Should be reasonably accurate (±10%) from 20mph upwards. Worth checking the tyre size - often labelled on an A-pillar.
Hi Chris, tyres are the correct sizing for this vehicle, however I do recall the previous owner mentioning that the gear box had been replaced...could this account for the speedo error if it was?