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Just watching BBC Parliament and there is a lady MP pressing the government to legislate for this soon.

Apparently it's been trialled on London buses by TFL with a 97% success rate.

http://www.brake.org.uk/what-s-happeni ... stance-isa

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The Great Debate No 35 covered a bit of that stemming from the European Directives. Compulsory Black Boxes as well as smart speed limiters coming to all new vehicles from 2022.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62195&hilit=debate#p604184

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PS pop over to the classics thread and see if anything captures your interest at Mathewsons Auction Gibbo! :-D The last list I put up left you cold!

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NewcastleFalcon wrote:
23 May 2019, 18:03
The Great Debate No 35 covered a bit of that stemming from the European Directives. Compulsory Black Boxes as well as smart speed limiters coming to all new vehicles from 2022.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62195&hilit=debate#p604184

Regards Neil

PS pop over to the classics thread and see if anything captures your interest at Mathewsons Auction Gibbo! :-D The last list I put up left you cold!


Saw that earlier Neil, still nothing to interest me although the vintage Rolls shooting break is worth another look. :)

On the ISA subject that was today on the Parliament channel, you know, the boring stuff nobody watches. It was an adjournment debate and there were only half a dozen members in the chamber.

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The EU Parliament only recently approved the proposal to make all cars 'smart limited' from 2022. Still needs to go through Council of Ministers and the Commission. Whether we are in or out, it seems likely that we will have parallel legislation on things like that.

I do wonder though, if we take driver control away do we take responsibility away? Imagine for a moment a driver careers into a bus stop full of people in the pouring rain. "But, your honour, I was travelling at 50 using the automatic safe speed limiter. Its not my fault that was too fast, its the fault of whoever set the limits ......". And what about reliability? There are times when the fairly hopeless built in sat nav on my C4 Picasso says "can't find any satellites" - occasionally it will show me in a field well off the road I am driving along, and sometimes at amusing altitudes. No worries, I always engage brain and try to avoid driving off cliffs, turning onto railway lines at level crossings etc. But if the system controls the car, with or without override, it strikes me that to work the in car system needs always, 100% reliable, to know exactly where you are and what the current limit is for that precise point. Can that be delivered?

A side benefit for flat twin owners. A late model Dyane is capable of 72 mph: it will be faster than any fancy pants Porsche or BMW sold after the implementation date. Sweep on you fat and greasy citizens.

A marketing opportunity - driving shoes with haptic feedback suppression soles. (bit like noise cancelling headphone technology). Marketing slogan: "be a pain, don't feel the pain".

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If a vehicle HAS to see the GPS satellites before it will allow you to turn on the engine can you imagine what will happen when an ambulance with a critical patient on board won't start because the GPS system cannot connect to the satellites? Don't suggest this cannot happen because somebody will see what a danger this could be; all you have to do is look at Boeing and the 737 MAX 8 aeroplanes. Those crashes appear to be down to a 'safety' system that was badly implemented.

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My understanding is that the system - or an early version of it - is already up and running in many new cars. The idea is that it'll warn you when you're exceeding the speed limit and/or you have to make a conscious and positive effort to override the speed limiting function. They will let you exceed the speed limit, but the 'black box' element of the technology will be able to prove that you were aware of the limit but chose to exceed it. If the public stuck (more or less) to the speed limits, then they wouldn't need to invent the technology :roll:

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Our 2017 C3 has a speed limit recognition system, it simply puts a message on the dashboard with the current speed limit, or --- if it can't see one. Later ones have a link between that and the speed limiter so it can set it for you. It uses a camera hidden behind the rear view mirror.

It fails in many ways. First it forgets, if you go a few hundred yards with no recognizable repeater sign it reverts to --- even if you are still in the limit. Second, it misses things, as any camera based device will especially as local councils give very low priority to keeping signs clean and clear of trees etc. I'm often surprised how good it is but its nowhere near 100%, and such a device that isn't 100% cannot be trusted. Thankfully it isn't hard wired into anything - yet.

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My TomTom sat-nav gave a 'boing' every time the speed limit changed whilst I was using it in the USA, I don't know if it does the same here, haven't needed to use it.

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I can, on CoPilot, set the threshold for the overspeed warnings. The minimum (other than off) is 5MPH, which is what I have selected.

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I use the Waze satnav app on my phone, it seems to pretty accurately display the current speed limits in force as well as simultaneously displaying my current speed.
A couple of years ago a mate of mine used the 'remember' function on a tractor he was driving to plot the route along some country lanes around here. Next time he drove that route he got the tractor to do all the driving for him. He said it was a bit unnerving :shock:

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I have a Snooper 4 Zero Bluetooth. Not only does it actively detect radar and laser traps, but also has built in GPS to warn of camera vans and speed traps in the UK and Europe. Being GPS-based, it also has a speed limit option to compare road speed limits with your actual speed and optionally verbally warns you of the speed limit.

It has been one of the best gadgets I have bought, as doesn't therefore have to rely on bugs, trees and graffiti blocking speed cameras used by cameras on other vehicles.