Hi,
I have had a look around this forum and found a few postings mentioning a similar issue, the "wings" of both of the front seats, drivers more than passengers give very little support to me or themselves, the inner wings are reasonably firm to push whereas the outer wings are not.
One of the posts says that the seat base covers are stuck to the foam and a very expensive to replace £800+vat & up!
I was thinking of replacing the foam wings with air inflated bladders, as used on motorcycle seating, but if the seat cloth is 'stuck' to the foam then its a non starter..............or is it ?
The fabric or leather isn’t available separately Stu, they sell the individual seat parts though as per the diagram, and these are each sold in the relevant trim level and colour for each car as at factory.
So parts (1) or (2) if these are the ones can be bought individually. The full,leather seats are different to the velour in shape and design, but for example, the item (1) for the full leather with heated seat option is:
Thanks Marc,
Price..........ouch, that wont be happening, however I did realise, from the pictures that the leather & part leather have different bases.
It is not a big problem except it would be nice to have a fully supporting seat. As 2nd hand seats will probably be the same going to a scrap yard is not a goer. I will look into removing the damaged foam from underneath and inserting more support, either foam or an air cushion.
Stu
"Some cause happiness wherever they go, others whenever they go"Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
I got a set of (then) as-new leather seats from an Exclusive that had a wrecked engine on not very many miles (about 50,000 IIRC).
£120 for the lot.
eBay so a bit of a lottery. Collected in person from a top seller and genuine nice bloke.
Sloppysod wrote: 09 Jan 2019, 13:48
Thanks Marc,
Price..........ouch, that wont be happening, however I did realise, from the pictures that the leather & part leather have different bases.
It is not a big problem except it would be nice to have a fully supporting seat. As 2nd hand seats will probably be the same going to a scrap yard is not a goer. I will look into removing the damaged foam from underneath and inserting more support, either foam or an air cushion.
That will be a good 'How To' Stu if you are feeling adventurous!
Yes it will. Currently looking into two part expanding foam, problem is getting the hardness/springback correct. This will happen, possibly a bit later this year.
Stu
"Some cause happiness wherever they go, others whenever they go"Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
myglaren wrote: 09 Jan 2019, 13:57
I got a set of (then) as-new leather seats from an Exclusive that had a wrecked engine on not very many miles (about 50,000 IIRC).
£120 for the lot.
eBay so a bit of a lottery. Collected in person from a top seller and genuine nice bloke.
Lucky so-n-so,!!!
Stu
"Some cause happiness wherever they go, others whenever they go"Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
The foam is stuck to the leather. My Exclusive has the 'wing' problem, the right hand one on the driver's seat, which always gets squashed as you get in and out of the car! I contacted a few trim specialists, none of them would touch the repair job because of the leather cover being glued in place.
After spending some (a lot) of time looking for leather seats in good condition for a reasonable price I have decided to try to repair my "Floppy wings!". I have tried once already, with a certain amount of success, the seat is much better but not perfect, a little misshapen on one side, using cushion foam from Dunelm! I have since found a place that sells the same density of foam that PSA use.
Now using the information from hereviewtopic.php?f=3&t=60485&p=624213#p624213 posted by xf1ref and following some diagrams of the wiring under the seat, can I connect an aftermarket seat pad, including switch the same way as the diagram I have shows the control going back to the main BSI and not the under-seat ECU. The photo shows the connectors inside the right hand seat side cover, I think I have to connect to the grey socket, I really could do with a pin out diagram if anyone has any ideas.
Attachments
Heated Seat diagram
Controls
Stu
"Some cause happiness wherever they go, others whenever they go"Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
The 4 pin grey connector on the Electric Seat Diagram above is 6321: slide position sensor (driver's seat).
That diagram only shows the electric seat controls. You need a separate diagram for the heated seats. I'll put one here shortly...
The heated seat plugs on the Heated Seats Diagram below (8310 and 8315) are 4 pin Grey connectors.
The wire 6370 going to the BSI is the Heated front seat switch command.
Thanks for the diagram for the seats, however, the comment "I think I have to connect to the grey socket, I really could do with a pin out diagram" was relating to the grey socket in the photo not on the diagram, which upon further reading appears to be a movement controller and not for heat, that is somewhere else! (See below)
Anyway, I still have more researching to do as some of the suppliers of the carbon fiber heating elements mention that they are not suitable for seats that the cloth is bonded to the foam. I think this is more to do with the fact that once you have removed the seat cover, it will never go back again, understandable!. However, one manufacturer does suggest removing some of the foam so there it is about 15mm thick then stickin the heating pad in place and refitting the foam previously removed.............. this i need to look into more, but the seating foam is not that thick anyway?
I put the heated seat diagram up as I thought it was the heated seats you were working on and you already had the diagram yourself for the connectors.
You have the wiring diagram which is for all 3 switches in your photo.
6382: Seat adjustment switch (rear right) (6 Pin Grey) Wires:
6387: Lumbar voltage level information
6383A: Unknown
6380: Rear cushion adjustment switch (6 pin Brown / Orange) Wires:
6386: Top of seat back voltage level information
6383B: Unknown
6345: Seat backrest switch (3 Pin Blue) Wires:
6384: Angle slide voltage level information
6385: Seat back height adjuster voltage level information
6383C: Unknown
Well, Sorry Marc, the heated seat bit was a bit of a red herring on my side, I almost bought an Beige interior from Ebay, but as I was not sure of how it would look with a black center console & dash, so I decided not to. So after a lot of questions I took the seat out again and spent time going through your descriptions and diagrams, it appears the heated seat connections stopped at the main 19 pin connector (seat to vehicle) and none of the other wiring was there. so I was unable to connect to the cars loom(s)! .
Progress, I replaced some foam in the "Floppy wing" by grinding out the crumbling stuff and replacing with '50' hard foam, my local chair upholsterer says he uses this grade foam for people who want a more firm seat. After removing the faulty foam with a grinding wheel on my Dremel and being careful not to get too close to the seat cloth, I added a piece of foam about 275mm x 30mm x 40mm foam into the ground out area and then replaced the mesh Citroen had added on some 'wear points', see photos, using a spray contact adhesive.
The seat is more comfortable and supportive, my backside no longer slips off the side when going around left-hand corners, so success, it took about a day to do.
Tip 1, - Before sticking in the new foam, repair as many of the cracks as possible to make the seat a complete as possible.
Tip 2, - Trick is to stick only one surface at a time of the foam you are sticking in, for example bottom, ends, then the sides.
Tip 3, - The side cover is difficult to remove, but once the front and middle clips are disconnected, the cover will rotate upwards to disengage the back clips.
At the same time I fitted an aftermarket carbon seat heater pad, well both pads actually, the base and back....both under the base foam as they needed to be wired in series to work, my seat starts to warm up in about 10 mins, not perfect but better on cold mornings, I will try to get the heater elements nearer to the top of the seat cloth in the summer to speed up the warming time. It will mean cutting some more foam out from the under the base, move the heating pad and then replace the foam, I am going to try to get the heating pads to within 10-15mm of the cloth.
I decided run a wire from the fuse box, piggy banking off the correct fuse, just to keep my modification away from the car electrics, I am still learning my way around modern car electrics and am still a bit scared to interfere.........just in case
Attachments
Swab to base clips
Side cover
After Grinding
Seat Base - Before
Cracked foam
Stu
"Some cause happiness wherever they go, others whenever they go"Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
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