What a pothole does

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What a pothole does

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This is what one of Aberdeenshires finest pot holes does to a 2000 mile old uniroyal and an 18" Peugeot alloy. Then to add insult to injury I find that the spare is a full size alloy with a bald tyre and a crack in the rim. It's holding air but was a very slow and worrying 20 miles home. 2 new wheels and tyres needed. A claim to the roads department tomorrow but eBay will have to be my friend as any claim to the council will probably take months. Do I get two genuine pug wheels or get a full set of aftermarkets? Depends what I find for sale.
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Just thinking that if the car had had the current trend of no spare just a tin of gunk and a toy compressor it would have been the back of an AA truck to get home. Im wanting to rectify this as cheaply as possible. Had a look on the bay. There are for sale, 1 mint condition alloy with a new pirelli for £149. I actually hate pirellis and have sworn never to buy one so its out. There is one ok wheel with light kerbing and a 7mm budget for £100. There are 2 scabby wheels with 3mm or less tyres at 75 each. There is one 17"steelie with new tyre for £35. It could do as a spare, it would be like a space saver get you home if it would go on over the calipers. But I would need to carry wheel nuts for it. There are various 17"alloys could be a spacesaver and using alloy nuts. The wheel that is bad damaged is use for the skip. I shall take the one with the crack to be inspected by a wheel restorer, it may repair ok, but would I want it on the car all the time? Theres no aftermarket sets that I like at sensible money. (-expletive removed-) knows what I will do. Its too late at night to think.

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Davie, that's terrible :( :evil: I feel for you...

Hope a claim is 100% successful...

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My approach would probably to be to get the cheapest solution on there for now to tide you over until you've got confirmation that the council will cover the repair costs. No worry about matching wheel styles or anything so long as it's safe.

Once you've got it in writing that they're willing to cover repair costs, then go for it on a permanent solution (are those wheels still available new from Peugeot?).

Getting them to cough up though can be a pain as you've got to prove that they've been negligent...was a pain when I had to go through this process - and I worked for the council in question at the time!

If they're not going to cough up, that gives a bit of breathing room to track down a decent set of wheels at a sensible price. Shame I'm not still up there - this is exactly what Persley Den scrappy in Aberdeen is good for and I'd have happily kept an eye out for a pair of those wheels for you!

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Potholes are virtually unknown here in Spain, despite temperature extremes (and rainfall in the north) that exceed anything found in Britain. Occasional patch repairs seem to last indefinitely, and don't fall out soon after they're put in.
#-o Tell me that the tarmac in the UK isn't substandard stuff, eagerly sold and agreed on by all the manufacturers - a fabulous and incessant source of income from cash-strapped local authorities. I've watched Spanish road repair guys at work, and I can tell you their level of preparation and skill is nothing special, but I'm guessing the black stuff is. One for the Public Accounts Committee, maybe.

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Damp/Salts/Frost damage

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Stickyfinger wrote:
22 Aug 2017, 09:24
Damp/Salts/Frost damage


Got it in one Alisdair, and Spain ain't all that wonderful for its roads in my experience, then of course there's the fact that drivers should be driving in accordance with the prevailing road conditions to avoid such damage, :) sorry daviemck2006 :-D

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Tarmac? Dream on, haven't seen any of that here for years.

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GiveMeABreak wrote:
22 Aug 2017, 11:32
Tarmac? Dream on, haven't seen any of that here for years.


The only tarmac we have around here is that which binds the potholes together...

To really appreciate how bad the roads are try riding a bike on them...

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Agreed Jim, it's a disgrace.

Davie - do you have legal assistance on your insurance - maybe they can help speed things up for you?

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Is there any truth is the belief that if the pothole in question has been marked out with aerosol spray paint to indicate the council is aware and that it's earmarked for repair absolves said council from any liability?

Not sure where I heard this or even if I'm imagining it but I'd not be surprised if it is the case. I'm sure the councils have explored every way possible to wriggle out of any claims.

I observe that around this way potholes are very quickly surrounded with paint lines and arrows but the actual repair can take very much longer... A can of spray paint is cheap; tarmac is not I guess...

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I believe that, not so long ago, the legal definition of a pothole was changed in such a way that, if it is below a certain size, it is not considered a hazard (although I could be wrong), which allows councils more time to get them fixed (I think it was the dimensions permitted that have been increased). Personally I am of the opinion that, should a pothole be large enough to cause any reasonable cyclists cause for concern the pothole is a hazard and needs to be addressed. The reason I said cyclists is that they are far more vulnerable to harm should a pothole cause them to lose control and come off their cycle (I know that cyclists have been seriously injured or killed when a pothole has pitched them into other vehicles).

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I often thought hey were just to show the repair crews (really?) which ones to fix, but I guess it would also double up as evidence the Coucil was aware of them.

I would say that the one that caused the damage to Davie's car would have to have been quite deep and if a cyclist had gone over that at night, perhaps have been fatal. I would suggest that holes like that should be warning triangled, cordoned off and prioritised for repair. And regardless of knowledge of the existence of the hole, all claims should be allowed for any damage on something that bad as it looks like it could be lethal.

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Hell Razor5543 wrote:
22 Aug 2017, 11:54
I believe that, not so long ago, the legal definition of a pothole was changed in such a way that, if it is below a certain size, it is not considered a hazard (although I could be wrong), which allows councils more time to get them fixed


You are perfectly correct James. Such potholes may present no hazard to a car at the permitted speed-limit for that stretch of road but they are, however small, potentially lethal to a cyclist...

I know where they all are on my regular rides but there's no point in reporting them as they fall outside the definition...

Any cyclist needs hawk-eyes to successfully evade them all, especially on unfamiliar roads...

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CitroJim wrote:
22 Aug 2017, 11:48
Is there any truth is the belief that if the pothole in question has been marked out with aerosol spray paint to indicate the council is aware and that it's earmarked for repair absolves said council from any liability?


I think it's rather the other way around, Jim - they have a defence if they didn't know about it, see: https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/road ... a-pothole/ if they've marked it up, they can hardly deny they know about it!! They could argue that if it marked up then they are in the progress of repairing, but I'd have thought damage like that done to Davie's car would mean the hole should be a priority or fenced off.