I note that Citroen say a *w40 in the Xantia v.6 but a *w30 in a C5 v.6 ....TOTAL seem to agree
Wondering why ?
Due to the *w30 type oils being NA when they launched the Xantia v.6 ?
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Re: Oil question in a V.6es9j
I always used 10W/40 in all of mine without any issues at all Alasdair... Diesel fleet oil at that!
It could be an age-related thing.. Perhaps in 1997 when the ES9 debuted the 10W/30 oils of the day were not quite up to the mark...
I don't really know, just a surmise...
It could be an age-related thing.. Perhaps in 1997 when the ES9 debuted the 10W/30 oils of the day were not quite up to the mark...
I don't really know, just a surmise...
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Re: Oil question in a V.6es9j
I think that it is probably to reduce the official CO2 figures by a tiny margin. I would stick with the thicker oil.
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Re: Oil question in a V.6es9j
According to the Citroen recommended oils in the guide I put together, the engines have both types and as the C5 Mk I, II and III all have ES* engines in their 3 Lt models, the guide shows both types depending on your engine badge number,
Guide here on the Wiki:
https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/wiki/C ... arbox_Oils
The guide dosn't distinguish between models - only engine type and badge. And note the statement (same for C5 2013> models incidentally):
"For example the use of grade 10W40 is limited to the temperate countries (from - 17 °C to + 37 °C) or to a hot climate". For any other application, the grade must be chosen in line with the climatic zone of the country of use. (refer to guide).
Guide here on the Wiki:
https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/wiki/C ... arbox_Oils
The guide dosn't distinguish between models - only engine type and badge. And note the statement (same for C5 2013> models incidentally):
"For example the use of grade 10W40 is limited to the temperate countries (from - 17 °C to + 37 °C) or to a hot climate". For any other application, the grade must be chosen in line with the climatic zone of the country of use. (refer to guide).
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Re: Oil question in a V.6es9j
Mineral oils are a lot thinner and contain more impurities - requiring more frequent oil changes. Semi synthetic oils cost less than fully synthetic oils and are a combination of both synthetic and mineral oils, and provide increased protection over a wider engine temperature range. If your car is designed to use semi-synthetic oil, then you should use semi synthetic as a minimum, but a fully synthetic oil will provide the best protection and performance for newer engines and probably older ones too.
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Re: Oil question in a V.6es9j
Need to remember that a C5 v6 is a totally different engine with hundreds of changes from the old one. There is a doc somewhere listing the engineering of it.
I would say 10-40 semi synth is around the mark for an older V6.
I would say 10-40 semi synth is around the mark for an older V6.
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Re: Oil question in a V.6es9j
Only the VVT Cylinder head is different really, how much difference that makes I am not really sure.
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Re: Oil question in a V.6es9j
No, many many other changes on materials, weight and design from block to pistons etc etc. It's in the doc.
VVT do need thinner oil generally as well.
VVT do need thinner oil generally as well.
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Re: Oil question in a V.6es9j
ES9J4 > ES9J4S > ES9A
that says to me the J4S was very similar to the J4
that says to me the J4S was very similar to the J4
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Re: Oil question in a V.6es9j
Some interesting info here, seems Porsche retuned the PSA version of the engine and introduced VVT ready for the 607 and C5....
http://www.wow.com/wiki/V6_ESL_engine
http://www.wow.com/wiki/V6_ESL_engine
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