Hello
my 206 HDi 1.4 has the engine management light on and wont go any more than 20 mph on a flat road,seems to hesitate at 3000rpm with lots of smoke when revving it at standstill.Anyone any ideas what is wrong with it?Thanks
2002 206 HDi PO382/PO113
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Re: 2002 206 HDi PO382/PO113
The first thing you will need to do is to get Planet Peugeot onto it. Any suggestions at this point will probably be guesses. There are forum members with the Diagbox equipment, and are willing to help out other members. Here is that list;
https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/ ... 19&t=56452
The 3000RPM thing is because of the car triggering LIMP mode. If something happens that 'upsets' the ECU systems it will drop the car into LIMP mode, in order to try and limit/prevent damage while (hopefully) allowing you to get home.
https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/ ... 19&t=56452
The 3000RPM thing is because of the car triggering LIMP mode. If something happens that 'upsets' the ECU systems it will drop the car into LIMP mode, in order to try and limit/prevent damage while (hopefully) allowing you to get home.
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Re: 2002 206 HDi PO382/PO113
Thanks for that information,but I am in Fife Scotland and don't see anyone closer than 80 miles from me and don't fancy a trip on the M8 to Glasgow at 20 mph or even worse up the M90 to Aberdeen at 10 mph (because it's all up hill).
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Re: 2002 206 HDi PO382/PO113
Agreed, without PP2000/diagbox diagnosis it's guesswork really. a couple of things you could try though in the meantime, disconnect the MAF plug (just about accessible with engine cover in place, on the top end of the rubber turbo hose) and see if things improve.
The other thing, and this I believe caused an intermittent limp mode on ours, is to check the EGR valve & it's solenoid are working correctly. (I didn't end up reading codes at the time since I made a lucky guess at the EGR being stuck open and losing all our boost pressure) in that case all I did was connect a vacuum pump to the EGR actuator and work it back & forth a few times and the fault never returned but I will need to revisit this in future I think to properly clean the EGR valve since they can gunk up internally.
Really though if a quick fiddle with these 2 doesn't change anything then don't waste too much time chasing what could be a different fault, even if you have to take the hit and have the codes read at a dealer it's the only reliable way to know what exactly the cause is likely to be. Keep us posted on any developments please, I'm interested to know what the problem turns out to be on this cheers, Dan.
EDIT-: just searched the generic codes and 113 seems to be related to the MAF so might be a starting point. other posts relate 382 to "Glow plug circuit B" so I would have thought starting may be bad if that were the case, although more than one post suggested replacement of the glow plug controller cured that... (reading further into that thread, that "fix" lasted 15 months before bringing back a permanent po382, he finally got it on pp2000 and it showed as an EGR fault so based on this I would certainly be looking into the EGR and MAF if you can, but as mentioned proper diagnostics kit would be ideal)...
The other thing, and this I believe caused an intermittent limp mode on ours, is to check the EGR valve & it's solenoid are working correctly. (I didn't end up reading codes at the time since I made a lucky guess at the EGR being stuck open and losing all our boost pressure) in that case all I did was connect a vacuum pump to the EGR actuator and work it back & forth a few times and the fault never returned but I will need to revisit this in future I think to properly clean the EGR valve since they can gunk up internally.
Really though if a quick fiddle with these 2 doesn't change anything then don't waste too much time chasing what could be a different fault, even if you have to take the hit and have the codes read at a dealer it's the only reliable way to know what exactly the cause is likely to be. Keep us posted on any developments please, I'm interested to know what the problem turns out to be on this cheers, Dan.
EDIT-: just searched the generic codes and 113 seems to be related to the MAF so might be a starting point. other posts relate 382 to "Glow plug circuit B" so I would have thought starting may be bad if that were the case, although more than one post suggested replacement of the glow plug controller cured that... (reading further into that thread, that "fix" lasted 15 months before bringing back a permanent po382, he finally got it on pp2000 and it showed as an EGR fault so based on this I would certainly be looking into the EGR and MAF if you can, but as mentioned proper diagnostics kit would be ideal)...
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Re: 2002 206 HDi PO382/PO113
Brilliant ,thanks for doing all the detective work on these codes and it seems if it isn't the EGR Valve,MAF sensor or Glow Plug Circuit I will need to see someone with the Peugeot diagnostics.My car has 85000 miles but has only been mostly doing about 4 miles a day for the last 9 years,have you had any problems with your 206 HDi like this?.
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Re: 2002 206 HDi PO382/PO113
On an engine doing short runs like that I would suggest it's more likely the EGR but at least there's something to go on for now & the MAF check is quick and simple enough to be worth doing too. Another thing I have heard is the cat can break up internally and block the exhaust around 100k miles but that's perhaps less likely.
Like I say, we had an intermittent limp home & EML that I never got round to pulling codes for since I sorted it the same week it started happening & that turned out to be a sticking EGR (I now recall it also brought up an "Anti Pollution Fault" on the centre display). Ours does largely short journeys although it does also get a 16mile round trip most days too where I try and blow the "cobwebs" away.
Obviously don't take my word as gospel since it could be something else entirely, but if you're handy enough with the spanners they are the things I'd check first before paying for proper diagnostics. Hope it's an easy fix.
Like I say, we had an intermittent limp home & EML that I never got round to pulling codes for since I sorted it the same week it started happening & that turned out to be a sticking EGR (I now recall it also brought up an "Anti Pollution Fault" on the centre display). Ours does largely short journeys although it does also get a 16mile round trip most days too where I try and blow the "cobwebs" away.
Obviously don't take my word as gospel since it could be something else entirely, but if you're handy enough with the spanners they are the things I'd check first before paying for proper diagnostics. Hope it's an easy fix.
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'03 206 GTi180 94k in surgery
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'99 306 2.0SE cabriolet 95k summer toy
'97 306 XS 1.6i 99k sat 12 years, fixed in 7 days, 150mile maiden voyage
Re: 2002 206 HDi PO382/PO113
we unplugged the MAF plug and the car revs up properly without the hesitation and smoke that it had at 3000 rpm,but it won't drive while unplugged.
Re: 2002 206 HDi PO382/PO113
so would this point to the Air Flow Meter?
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Re: 2002 206 HDi PO382/PO113
I would say there is a fault with the maf if disconnecting get rid of the limp home mode (3000rpm limit). But when you say "won't drive" how exactly do you mean? Driveability is terrible usually with maf unplugged, but in my experience it it still possible to drive albeit with reduced power so there may be other issues too if it is completely undriveable
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'03 206 GTi180 94k in surgery
'03 206 1.1S XUD9TE/veg project
'99 306 2.0SE cabriolet 95k summer toy
'97 306 XS 1.6i 99k sat 12 years, fixed in 7 days, 150mile maiden voyage
'03 206 GTi180 94k in surgery
'03 206 1.1S XUD9TE/veg project
'99 306 2.0SE cabriolet 95k summer toy
'97 306 XS 1.6i 99k sat 12 years, fixed in 7 days, 150mile maiden voyage
Re: 2002 206 HDi PO382/PO113
tried a new Airflow Meter,it worked great for a minute then went bad again.Probably have to give up on this one.
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Re: 2002 206 HDi PO382/PO113
ekjdm14 wrote:I would say there is a fault with the maf if disconnecting get rid of the limp home mode (3000rpm limit). But when you say "won't drive" how exactly do you mean? Driveability is terrible usually with maf unplugged, but in my experience it it still possible to drive albeit with reduced power so there may be other issues too if it is completely undriveable
Don't give up on it! could you at least answer the above first please? if it was completely undriveable then as stated there's likely another problem/problems as well as the MAF... Could still be a sticking EGR causing issues too, but as we mentioned at the beginning of the thread the only way to be sure as to what its likely to be is to get it on PP2000 for a session.
I would, personally, though still try a clean (or temporary blanking) of the EGR. Certainly would look into this before giving up on the car anyway.
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'03 206 GTi180 94k in surgery
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Re: 2002 206 HDi PO382/PO113
I recently had a look at a chaps 1.4hdi 206, he had an issue where the car would run without the MAF plugged in, albeit without any power.
With the MAF plugged in, the car starts but cuts out instantly.
Start the car without the MAF, it runs perfectly well, then if you plug the MAF in when the engine is running, then it cuts the car off immediately, as though someone had turned the key to "off".
I plugged the car into planet, and there were fault codes referring to the MAF sensor (expected, as it had been running without the MAF). But there were also other codes relating to the clutch switch and impact switch (triggering the airbag). Reading the code detail, it seemed the impact code seemed to be tripping the engine when the MAF was plugged in?!?!?!
Sounded like an electrical fault, so we thoroughly inspected the looms and couldn't spot anything.
It was only after a lot of digging around with the wiring that we noticed there was a lot of water residue aft-ward of the ECU (where the little black grille is on the O/S bonnet panel). We kind of parted scratching our heads as to why the car would cut out when the MAF was plugged in, as well as the MAF throwing up seemingly random codes. But we did have a mutual belief that water may have found its way into the ECU and maybe shorting in there.
At least in your case the car still runs with the MAF plugged in. If possible, get the car on Planet, and get live data.
I'd give the EGR a thorough once over, and also check the intake manifold for build up of gunk. If you've been doing very frequent short journeys, it's unlikely the car will be getting warm enough to operate correctly.
With the MAF plugged in, the car starts but cuts out instantly.
Start the car without the MAF, it runs perfectly well, then if you plug the MAF in when the engine is running, then it cuts the car off immediately, as though someone had turned the key to "off".
I plugged the car into planet, and there were fault codes referring to the MAF sensor (expected, as it had been running without the MAF). But there were also other codes relating to the clutch switch and impact switch (triggering the airbag). Reading the code detail, it seemed the impact code seemed to be tripping the engine when the MAF was plugged in?!?!?!
Sounded like an electrical fault, so we thoroughly inspected the looms and couldn't spot anything.
It was only after a lot of digging around with the wiring that we noticed there was a lot of water residue aft-ward of the ECU (where the little black grille is on the O/S bonnet panel). We kind of parted scratching our heads as to why the car would cut out when the MAF was plugged in, as well as the MAF throwing up seemingly random codes. But we did have a mutual belief that water may have found its way into the ECU and maybe shorting in there.
At least in your case the car still runs with the MAF plugged in. If possible, get the car on Planet, and get live data.
I'd give the EGR a thorough once over, and also check the intake manifold for build up of gunk. If you've been doing very frequent short journeys, it's unlikely the car will be getting warm enough to operate correctly.