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Hi just joined forum so saying hello, with a question about my 2008 (08) CITROEN BERLINGO 600 1.6 HDi VAN was wondering if anyone can tell me the milage i should be changing my cam belt at. thank you billmj10
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Hi, and welcome to the Forum.

I cannot offer any advise, other than to post up you VIN code. That way forum members with the relevant access can look up the details, and pass them on.
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120k miles or 10 years
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Bick wrote:120k miles or 10 years
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That's Citroen for you - a stab in the dark from 1993 or then-abouts.
In the real world, a significant percentage would have failed by then, but hey-ho the warranty (even on vans) was only 3 years or 60k. The general view is every 60-70k or 6-7 years. That may be a bit conservative, but better than a wrecked engine.
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The 2.0hdi also has 120k intervals. I have removed them at 80-90k and the belt looked like new and even had all the writing on the back of the belt. They dont seem to eat the back of the belt away like the old 1.9's i would not let the 1.9 go past 50k.

I have never done one on a 1.6hdi but i know of quite a few people who have gone past the 120k guidelines which has horrified me but to be honest they had no problems.

It seems the new stuff goes much further, safer than ever.
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Old-Guy wrote:Must remember to follow my own advice and change the GC4P's belt before too long!
The 16V engine in the car is 10 years / 150k (or 140-160 depending on which handbook you are reading). They tend to go noisy, so many have been changed early - I did ours at about 80k. It's not that hard a belt to do. Must do the 307 which is now over 120k - don't know if it's been changed, but it's not noisy!
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Old-Guy wrote:Must remember to follow my own advice and change the GC4P's belt before too long!
The 16V engine in the car is 10 years / 150k (or 140-160 depending on which handbook you are reading). They tend to go noisy, so many have been changed early - I did ours at about 80k. It's not that hard a belt to do. Must do the 307 which is now over 120k - don't know if it's been changed, but it's not noisy!
Our GC4P has the later (2011-on) 112hp SOHC 8V engine (DV6C), but I imagine Citroen's recommendation is the same. What sort of 'Noisy'?
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Pulsing squeak st idle, particularly when cold. There was also a sort of scraping / vibrating noise that is hard to describe which was much reduced after changing the belt (and rollers!). No such noise on the 307 which makes we wonder if in fact it has already been changed (it had 80k on it when I got it).
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I did the cambelt, idler, tensioner, water pump and camchain on my 2006 C5R 1.6 hdi at 110,000 as I had no history as to when it was last done. The idler and tensioner were noisy and water pump bearing just starting to show signs of failure. So court mine in time.
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Finally got mine done at 168,000-odd. Just looking at the belt told me it wasn't a moment too soon - & so slack, I'm surprised it hadn't jumped a tooth. The pump felt rough turned by hand but the idlers were good as new.
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I was very surprised when Pleiades told me 120K for my C5 Mk2

After the 36K or three years of the Xantia and all the noisy plastic wheeled tensioner problems I had with it.

There is nothing in the service history about cam belt changes and its at 85K now so I'm pondering
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I'm very wary about extended service intervals generally.

How has the engine design altered, in relevant areas, so that it makes belts last longer?

Why don't new belts for old engines last as long as those for newer engines?

Absent satisfactory answers to those questions AND a service history I'd be inclined to replace the belt once I started pondering whether I should - for piece of mind!

(just 'cos I got away with leaving it 'til it was probably 20 (possibly 70)k overdue, doesn't make that a good example!)
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There's a major difference between diesel engines with a mechanical injector pump (XUD etc) and those with common rail injection and a pump that only provides the highly pressurised fuel (HDi etc).

In the earlier type the pump subjects the belt to wildly varying stresses as it build the pressure up and then releases it during injection. The common rail type pump maintains a fairly constant tension on the belt as the pressure differences are masked by the rail which acts as a reservoir. That alone made for a big leap in mileage that could be covered before replacement is deemed necessary.

In addition there has been an improvement in the design of belts and their manufacturing processes. That's provided some of the increase in life I believe.
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OK so that's something I've learned - which, after all, is why I'm here.

However as to improved manufacturing processes, surely that would apply to new belts for old engines?
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Some of the improvements are in the design of the belt and pulleys as a whole so cannot be applied to other belts just by themselves. I suppose that there will have been improvements to earlier belts as well but I reckon no manufacturer will retrospectively change service intervals for them. After all, how could you be sure that the current belt has been made to a later spec?

FWIW (and I know this will draw gasps of breath) I changed the belts on both the old C5 and Xsara at about 150,000 miles. I'm fairly sure that neither car had a change of belt before our ownership (C5 about 70,000 miles, Xsara about 87,000 miles) so there you go.
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