I'm thinking of adding a new garage extension early next year so a bit of forward planning is due now before we get down to plans etc ...
Does anyone own a scissor lift as i'm thinking of fitting a concealed lift to the garage, which, although on the smallish side at 14' x 16', will serve as my work area for one car only at a time.
And, i've ALWAYS wanted a lift of some sort . Currently got a set of four hydraulic ramps which do the jobs ok'ish but only when the weather permits so the garage will be a big bonus!
just need to know of any pitfalls (no pun intended ) of such a venture regarding the lift, the garage is a no-brainer, dead space on the side of the house which just goes green without any sun hitting it up here, being based North East coast
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If building from scratch, then a pit could be a possibility.
Only problem with a pit, is that if you move house . . .
On the other hand, it scores rather well on the safety stakes.
Only problem with a pit, is that if you move house . . .
On the other hand, it scores rather well on the safety stakes.
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The biggest pitfall is the bloody minded councillors and planning enforcement fascists and of course nightmare neighbours.
I managed for twenty years with a pit and jacking beam but if you're doing a pit you need to really work out how to seal it against the water table, mine needed to be pumped out regularly despite the guy who built it lining the hole with polythene before pouring the concrete.
I managed for twenty years with a pit and jacking beam but if you're doing a pit you need to really work out how to seal it against the water table, mine needed to be pumped out regularly despite the guy who built it lining the hole with polythene before pouring the concrete.
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Why not build the garage around your 4 pillar lift !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only joking I agree extremely useful, Pit with scissors jack would be my favoured option but waterproofing is the issued mentioned by gibbo.
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Only joking I agree extremely useful, Pit with scissors jack would be my favoured option but waterproofing is the issued mentioned by gibbo.
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Waterproofing (tanking) is really easily achieved in this part of the world by simply coating the concrete/masonry structure with what, here, is called caucho or antigotteras. It's actually a thick latex enhanced water-soluble emulsion paint, that can be applied by brush or roller, and up to a thickness of several mm. For creating a waterproof membrane under outdoor tiling (for example a flat, tiled roof terrace), a coat or two are laid down, followed by one layer of good old coarse glassfibre mat, and then topped with a couple more coats of caucho.
The result is a glassfibre-reinforced impermeable membrane, tough and flexible, that cement, concrete and further construction will adhere to. It's also used, without the glassfibre, under terracotta roof tiles, which become water-laden in heavy rain.
It's available in white, terracotta, blue (for pools and reservoirs), green and grey. In white, it can be used to paint the surround to a swimming pool, where it provides a satin, non-slip, jet-washable and UV-proof finish.
Fabulous stuff, which I had never encountered in the UK. And, no, I'm not on commission; my salesman days are over.
The result is a glassfibre-reinforced impermeable membrane, tough and flexible, that cement, concrete and further construction will adhere to. It's also used, without the glassfibre, under terracotta roof tiles, which become water-laden in heavy rain.
It's available in white, terracotta, blue (for pools and reservoirs), green and grey. In white, it can be used to paint the surround to a swimming pool, where it provides a satin, non-slip, jet-washable and UV-proof finish.
Fabulous stuff, which I had never encountered in the UK. And, no, I'm not on commission; my salesman days are over.
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Probably SBR based. Styrene Butadiene Resin. There is another resin called Flexacryl or Acripol. They can be put on top of glass mesh or painted on thick.
I think the Spanish stuff may be based on similar chemicals? Sika also make liquids to add to mortar to coat concrete or brick for tanking. A butyl or EPDM liner can also be used, much better than polythene. It can be welded to make a bag. Casting a GRP bathtub insert is most expensive of the lot.
I think the Spanish stuff may be based on similar chemicals? Sika also make liquids to add to mortar to coat concrete or brick for tanking. A butyl or EPDM liner can also be used, much better than polythene. It can be welded to make a bag. Casting a GRP bathtub insert is most expensive of the lot.
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I thought one issue with pits was potential for the build up of fumes and vapours, particularly heaver than air petrol vapour, with people overcome by fumes or even worse self-immolated. I wonder if house insurers would cover a claim if a fire from an amateur pit spread to the house? Sorry to be pessimistic, I would love a pit but maybe ramps/lifts as the OP suggested are a safer if less convenient way to do it. Some cheery tales:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/mvr/topics/fire.htm
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/vi ... ee-2661989
http://www.theiet.org/forums/forum/mess ... adid=35718
http://www.hse.gov.uk/mvr/topics/fire.htm
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/vi ... ee-2661989
http://www.theiet.org/forums/forum/mess ... adid=35718
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Richard ... you're right here. I am not wanting any inspection pit or such like. What i am after is an "inground' lift, i've seen a scissor lift at my local garage. Just asking if anyone had any experience or advice to offer. Seems the discussion went its own way in my absence [emoji3]
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I've worked with a few scissor lifts and they are quite good, definitely better than a pit! Obviously a 2 post lift is better but they require much more space and height clearance. The scissor lifts I've used lift on the sills and raise about 1.5 mtrs, so you will need a good seat to work underneath the car, unless you are very short, or you can used a crawler, which works well because the working height can be adjusted to suit any task. For working on wheels, brakes etc they are great!
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One of our local mechanics had all his skin burned of in such an incident, they had drained a petrol tank over the pit spilling some in the process, then struck up a welding torch .whoosh.Richard_C wrote:I thought one issue with pits was potential for the build up of fumes and vapours, particularly heaver than air petrol vapour, with people overcome by fumes or even worse self-immolated. I wonder if house insurers would cover a claim if a fire from an amateur pit spread to the house? Sorry to be pessimistic, I would love a pit but maybe ramps/lifts as the OP suggested are a safer if less convenient way to do it. Some cheery tales:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/mvr/topics/fire.htm
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/vi ... ee-2661989
http://www.theiet.org/forums/forum/mess ... adid=35718
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