1.6 or 2.0 hdi dispatch? Which one?

[Ed900]

Hi all my next van will be the dispatch, expert, scudo van, I'm looking now to get one - as mine is on its last legs- but I've here'd problems with the 1.6 but not many with the 2.0l
Anyone with experience of the above vans? And what is the ved costs? Are they same for both vans? Most I've seen for sale are on the 130000m range, is there a reason for this
Cheers

[spider]

Personal preference would be the 2.0 if its the 8v unit.

The 1.6 is not unreliable its just a bit more likely to cause concerns.

8v 2.0 is either 90 or 110 horses. 1.6 is (usually) already 110 horses, that's quite a lot for a little unit really.

I'm unsure on VED, I seem to remember that commercials attract a different rate to cars anyway. The DVLA site will assist you in finding the cost. The 1.6 may be a bit cheaper but you may wish to balance this out with (if you are unlucky) more repairs... Don't get me wrong its possible to get a "dog" 2.0 and a "never cause an concern" 1.6 though. I just think the 2.0 is a little less likely to cause issues.

[Bick]

I think my last tax was £225 vans are all the same tax as far as i know both my berlingo 1.6hdi and relay 2.0hdi are the same tax.

The 1.6hdi engines are fine as long as serviced properly - early ones suffered from leaking injectors and turbo problems both faults are related.

Another problem with the 1.6 is early ones seem to have been specced the wrong oil this was sorted a long time ago to 5w30 low saps.

Like Spider says the 2.0hdis do tend to stand more abuse but a looked after 1.6 is a great engine

[spider]

Without wanting to derail the topic, I would simply I think a lot of the 1.6 issues were (are?) due to this 18K interval for oil. Dropping that to 12K at most (9K would be even better) would I think prevent a lot of potential issues.

[Bick]

Without wanting to derail the topic, I would simply I think a lot of the 1.6 issues were (are?) due to this 18K interval for oil. Dropping that to 12K at most (9K would be even better) would I think prevent a lot of potential issues.

No you are not derailing it to be honest i would never go further than 8k between oil changes but im an old school mechanic - a newer breed of oils are capable of 18k change intervals im sure but never on a motor of mine.

When i said if the OP can find a 1.6hdi thats been looked after thats what i meant well serviced or over serviced.

I know a lot of 1.6hdi engines out there do very well on the standard 12.5k and 18k service intervals but oil is cheap if you know where to get it from and i would always over service a vehicle of mine - over the top probably but easy enough to do so why not.

Im waiting for people to say im ruining the planet now

[Ed900]

Thanks for the replies so far
Do both engines have cam belt changes at 150,000 miles? That could explain why so many for sale at 130k.if they are all 20,000 mile between services? Also are they 'home mechanic' serviceable ? I service my old 1.9d in about 30 mins!
Anything else to look out for, I'm hoping to vue some tomorrow
Cheers

[Hell Razor5543]

I have a C5 MK1 estate with the 2.0l 110HP HDi engine. I believe the cam belt is meant to be changed at 100,000 miles (or 10 years). I do know that, because of the emissions improvements, the VED is £145 as opposed to £230 for an X reg Xantia with the 2.0l 90HP HDi engine.

It is possible to service them at home, but it will take longer than 30 minutes. The fuel filter can be tricky to change, and (if it has one) the pollen filter is more so.

[RichardW]

1.6 HDi is DIYable mostly. I have farmed out getting the injector seals done, but otherwise done my own work - oh, apart from the clutch in the C4 Picasso which I didn't fancy on the drive in January! The belt interval is 150k / 10 years, although many are noisy before that. It's a very easy belt to change - there's plenty of room as the engine is very compact. Air filter is ridiculous (over the back of the engine) in installations where the engine is under the bulkhead. Fuel filter is easy enough once you get the air pipes off. Turbo problems appear to be due to leaky injector seals contaminating the oil, plus the filter in the turbo oil feed = knackered turbo. Turbo can be saved simply by removing the filter in the oil feed (although this is not as straightforward as it sounds - DPF needs to come off, which might need the radiator removing!). Fixing the injector seals as soon as they start to leak will avoid problems building up. My 307 still on original turbo at 116k - C4 Pic had a new one at 69k.... I've heard that the van engine has a larger sump (car engine is only 3.5l new oil on change) and that this helps to reduce incidence of turbo problems.

[elma]

Vans do often have a larger sump, my Xud9 van engine took 5.5 litres of oil (non turbo).

Regarding 1.6 vs 2.0 it's a difficult choice. I was considering a dispatch / expert recently and thought the 1.6 made more sense for me. It does have cheaper tax than the 2.0 as long as it's made after 2001 van tax went from flat rate to emissions based. It also looks a lot easier to maintain in a relatively small engine bay and I'm quite impressed with the 1.6 in the 308 over the 2.0 in the 307 because theres little difference in performance but the 1.6 is noticeably cheaper to run in our case. Surprising actually as we live up a massive hill in a hilly area.
People will argue both ways and if I was doing more motorway miles I'd favour the 2.0.

I think you need to drive them yourself and also see whats available in what condition to make a decision.

[Ed900]

Cheers for all the replies, lots to think about, think I'd prefer the 2 l , but as in most things it will probably come down to the best van at the right price..!
Anyone own one?

[Hell Razor5543]

I used to have a 1.6l Peugeot Partner (company van, 11 reg), and when the fleet service company serviced it, they would jack up the nearside a long way (IIRC, but it was the side away from the sump plug). This is because the sump plug was recessed, and (if done on the level) there would have been about 0.5l dirty oil left in the sump. IIRC there was 6" gap underneath the wheel!

[Ed900]

A good tip that one!

[Hell Razor5543]

Just make sure that the van is safely supported (on more than a jack) if you also work underneath.

[Ed900]

Looked at a van today it's a 1.6 hdi dispatch on a 2008
Are they young enough to be free from any of the problems in post number 3?
I.e turbo and leaky injectors

[Bick]

A 2008 will have early type injector clamps which are a little weedy and were not tight from new but if tightened up they tend to be okay. If the injectors are not leaking you should be okay. Just check around the injectors for black tar and do a YouTube search for 1.6hdi injector leak so you can see what to listen for.

I have a 2008 1.6hdi and when i checked the injectors they were loose but not leaking. If you find no leaks you should be okay with a 2008 engine. From 2009 onwards they changed the injector clamp design and they are much better.