AX 10E rust rear corners welding

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AX 10E rust rear corners welding

Post by jsp »

Morning all,

Just wondering how did some of you guys welded this section?

Hard to access rear corner behind the lights common rust area on a AX.

I am restorating it so need some advice of the forum here.

Some pictures from the section that needs to be repaired:

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Re: AX 10E rust rear corners welding

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That is going to be lots of cardboard templates and thinking. A bit cut out and welded in where possible to retain profile, then more cut out.
Photo's from before and careful measurement with calipers and a mock drawing. Another car for a reference would be good. Lots of stitch welding and bracing to avoid distortion, then seam weld and cut and grind braces off. That kind of stuff.
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Now:
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1987 CX GTI Turbo 2
1987 AX 10E Pino
1994 AX 1.4 5dr TGS GTI
1994 AX 1.0 3dr Escapade
1996 AX 1.1 3dr spot Burgundy
1996 AX 1.1 5dr Verte
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Re: AX 10E rust rear corners welding

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Thanks for your reply,

I was considering cutting it out with a Dremel and refabricate this section.
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1987 CX GTI Turbo 2
1987 AX 10E Pino
1994 AX 1.4 5dr TGS GTI
1994 AX 1.0 3dr Escapade
1996 AX 1.1 3dr spot Burgundy
1996 AX 1.1 5dr Verte
2003 peugeot 206 xs leather with auto A/C
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Re: AX 10E rust rear corners welding

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Step 1 is going on now making separate panels and welding in.

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Re: AX 10E rust rear corners welding

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Pain in the arse this was on the ax. I was using a 90amp flux core welder and couldn't get it set right so I bird cropped it as you can see in the pic, then stitch welded over the top of it not shown in pic

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Re: AX 10E rust rear corners welding

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Yeah, flux core is not good with a cheaper machine and thin panels. Use a copper or ally plate behind the joint.
It will draw heat from the edges and help in getting a puddle and not shooting through.
I find the 4" angle grinder with thin 1mm disc is as good as anything for cutting.......if you can get in. I have every tool for cutting. Air saw, reciprocating saw, plasma cutter, jig saw, nibbler. But if I only had the choice of one.........the grinder with thin disc would be it.
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1987 CX GTI Turbo 2
1987 AX 10E Pino
1994 AX 1.4 5dr TGS GTI
1994 AX 1.0 3dr Escapade
1996 AX 1.1 3dr spot Burgundy
1996 AX 1.1 5dr Verte
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Re: AX 10E rust rear corners welding

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Thanks both for your input.

I have stitch welded with my MIG welder 170A.

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Re: AX 10E rust rear corners welding

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Yeah, getting there. You don't waste any time!
Phosphoric acid or Citric acid is good for treating rust on panels.
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1987 CX GTI Turbo 2
1987 AX 10E Pino
1994 AX 1.4 5dr TGS GTI
1994 AX 1.0 3dr Escapade
1996 AX 1.1 3dr spot Burgundy
1996 AX 1.1 5dr Verte
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Re: AX 10E rust rear corners welding

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Could I weld like this so that this corner is gone.
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1987 CX GTI Turbo 2
1987 AX 10E Pino
1994 AX 1.4 5dr TGS GTI
1994 AX 1.0 3dr Escapade
1996 AX 1.1 3dr spot Burgundy
1996 AX 1.1 5dr Verte
2003 peugeot 206 xs leather with auto A/C
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Re: AX 10E rust rear corners welding

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Almost finished hate it to do this but, worth the job saving such an old car:

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Re: AX 10E rust rear corners welding

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Looking good! Wanna come to mind and weld some patches on the similar looking holes in my Visa.... :-D ?
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1987 CX GTI Turbo 2
1987 AX 10E Pino
1994 AX 1.4 5dr TGS GTI
1994 AX 1.0 3dr Escapade
1996 AX 1.1 3dr spot Burgundy
1996 AX 1.1 5dr Verte
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Visa rust here aswell? must be a common issue on PSA hatchback cars.
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Re: AX 10E rust rear corners welding

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Visas rust everywhere :rofl2:
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Re: AX 10E rust rear corners welding

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I recall when the Rootes group brought out their first mono-constructed Hillman Minx, at 18 months old we had cars with the front end of the rear leaf springs together with the shackle brackets coming up through the floor in the rear footwell.

At that time we did all the welding with oxy acetylene and I spent many hours cutting 18 gauge sheet steel and lying on my back welding it in.

There were no ready made panels, everything had to be cut and made to pattern.

I thought all those cars had gone to the scrapyard but I see there's a black one in one of the new tv crime shows.
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My Cars: AX 3x 10E 1.4 GTI 5drs 1.0i
CX 2x GTI turbo
ID 19 1960

Now:
1960 ID 19
1984 CX GTI Turbo 1
1987 CX GTI Turbo 2
1987 AX 10E Pino
1994 AX 1.4 5dr TGS GTI
1994 AX 1.0 3dr Escapade
1996 AX 1.1 3dr spot Burgundy
1996 AX 1.1 5dr Verte
2003 peugeot 206 xs leather with auto A/C
x 12

Re: AX 10E rust rear corners welding

Post by jsp »

Its just flew through the mot with one advisory on the wishbone [probably] the bolts in the ball joint.
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