2.0 HDi Xantia high speed power loss but fine round town
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2.0 HDi Xantia high speed power loss but fine round town
Only been on one high speed run with my latest Xantia (since scrapping the 2.1TD) was running fine on a run over to Whitby but on a whim I headed out for the Yorkshire Moors ... heard what I can only describe as a bit of a clunk and was immediately accompanied by the orange engine management/fuel injection light ... Stopped and checked for anything obvious but nothing apparent, so decided to nurse her home. She made it home OK but struggled in the 40 - 60 mph range especially if on an incline and since then I've had her on the ramps but nothing obviously broken, turbo appears OK (no smoke) and I can see the turbo arm moving when revved.
I am currently using it as normal around town and there is no noticeable difference from 'normal' with the exception that the orange warning light is on ... I don't have a Lexia and wouldn't know how to use one
Any suggestions / local Lexia guru /
I am currently using it as normal around town and there is no noticeable difference from 'normal' with the exception that the orange warning light is on ... I don't have a Lexia and wouldn't know how to use one
Any suggestions / local Lexia guru /
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Re: 2.0 HDi Xantia high speed power loss but fine round town
If your cars not smoking from the rear since orange light then that possibly rules out MAF sensor, clunk could be worn gearbox/engine mount or drop link, forum member also mentions caliper pins and shim to make sure they are in place as they cause same issue.
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Re: 2.0 HDi Xantia high speed power loss but fine round town
Sounds like an air pipe popped off if you're struggling to get 70mph now.
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Re: 2.0 HDi Xantia high speed power loss but fine round town
Thanks for those suggestions elma /xantiagreen
Just to confirm the 'clunk' hasn't re-occurred and my initial thoughts were it was something failing or falling off but I never heard it bounce under the car and can't see anything missing.
The air pipes for the EGR to turbo / cam and the air intake all appear OK.
Like I said to drive it around town the power feels OK it just has the orange engine warning light on ....
Just to confirm the 'clunk' hasn't re-occurred and my initial thoughts were it was something failing or falling off but I never heard it bounce under the car and can't see anything missing.
The air pipes for the EGR to turbo / cam and the air intake all appear OK.
Like I said to drive it around town the power feels OK it just has the orange engine warning light on ....
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Re: 2.0 HDi Xantia high speed power loss but fine round town
Seized Turbo ?
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Re: 2.0 HDi Xantia high speed power loss but fine round town
The air pipes might appear OK Skull but they are prone to very small hidden splits that only reveal themselves under pressure... I know this from experience. I had an HDi with a minor boost leak and the cause was a tiny split/crack that could only be found when the hose was doubled-back on itself.
Also, the little stub-hose between the turbo outlet and the plastic pipe under the engine is prone to splitting. Check too that plastic pipe for pinholes from road contact..
The clunk is almost certainly the rubber bush in the engine torque reaction arm mount on the inner wing...
Also, the little stub-hose between the turbo outlet and the plastic pipe under the engine is prone to splitting. Check too that plastic pipe for pinholes from road contact..
The clunk is almost certainly the rubber bush in the engine torque reaction arm mount on the inner wing...
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Re: 2.0 HDi Xantia high speed power loss but fine round town
Yes my guess would be the short hose on the bottom of the turbo has popped.
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Re: 2.0 HDi Xantia high speed power loss but fine round town
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The air pipe from EGR to turbo is attached, the turbo arm moves when engine is revved, the plastic turbo intake pipe and rubber connector are all tight and sound with no splits or holes (removed cleaned and inspected as it was covered in old oil from the sump weeping), and just to confirm the clunk is not re-occurring it was a one-off clunk that happened just before the orange engine light came on.
RichardW I have presumed you mean the same rubber connector hose from plastic turbo pipe to the actual turbo.
Symptom
No smoke from exhaust, no strange noises, turbo arm moves when engine revved, engine runs fine around town but at higher speeds @ 50 mph lacks power and orange engine warning light on constantly apart from one blink on start-up.
The air pipe from EGR to turbo is attached, the turbo arm moves when engine is revved, the plastic turbo intake pipe and rubber connector are all tight and sound with no splits or holes (removed cleaned and inspected as it was covered in old oil from the sump weeping), and just to confirm the clunk is not re-occurring it was a one-off clunk that happened just before the orange engine light came on.
RichardW I have presumed you mean the same rubber connector hose from plastic turbo pipe to the actual turbo.
Symptom
No smoke from exhaust, no strange noises, turbo arm moves when engine revved, engine runs fine around town but at higher speeds @ 50 mph lacks power and orange engine warning light on constantly apart from one blink on start-up.
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Citroën sAXo Memphis Mk II
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Xantia x3 (2.0i TCT Activa)(2.1 TD SX)(1.9 TD Estate)
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Re: 2.0 HDi Xantia high speed power loss but fine round town
Is yours a 110? My only other thought is that the intercooler expired.
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Re: 2.0 HDi Xantia high speed power loss but fine round town
Yes 110 intercooler model
On my 4th Citroën Xantia (X2 HDi (110))
Citroën sAXo Memphis Mk II
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Xantia x3 (2.0i TCT Activa)(2.1 TD SX)(1.9 TD Estate)
Xsara HDi VTR Coupe / Saxo 1.1i / BX 1.9 d / 4 x AX's (1.4D /1.5D)
2 x 406 (1.9 TD Estate/2.1 TD Saloon) 405 1.9 D Estate 306 1.9 XTDT Hatch
Citroën sAXo Memphis Mk II
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Xantia x3 (2.0i TCT Activa)(2.1 TD SX)(1.9 TD Estate)
Xsara HDi VTR Coupe / Saxo 1.1i / BX 1.9 d / 4 x AX's (1.4D /1.5D)
2 x 406 (1.9 TD Estate/2.1 TD Saloon) 405 1.9 D Estate 306 1.9 XTDT Hatch
Re: 2.0 HDi Xantia high speed power loss but fine round town
Got to be worth a check. I can't think what else would go with a pop, unless you drove over something at exactly the same time.
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Re: 2.0 HDi Xantia high speed power loss but fine round town
Is the intercooler fluid filled Nothing leaking underneath when I stopped
I kind of take the intercooler for granted
I kind of take the intercooler for granted
On my 4th Citroën Xantia (X2 HDi (110))
Citroën sAXo Memphis Mk II
Gone
Xantia x3 (2.0i TCT Activa)(2.1 TD SX)(1.9 TD Estate)
Xsara HDi VTR Coupe / Saxo 1.1i / BX 1.9 d / 4 x AX's (1.4D /1.5D)
2 x 406 (1.9 TD Estate/2.1 TD Saloon) 405 1.9 D Estate 306 1.9 XTDT Hatch
Citroën sAXo Memphis Mk II
Gone
Xantia x3 (2.0i TCT Activa)(2.1 TD SX)(1.9 TD Estate)
Xsara HDi VTR Coupe / Saxo 1.1i / BX 1.9 d / 4 x AX's (1.4D /1.5D)
2 x 406 (1.9 TD Estate/2.1 TD Saloon) 405 1.9 D Estate 306 1.9 XTDT Hatch
Re: 2.0 HDi Xantia high speed power loss but fine round town
No it's air filled, compressed air from a turbo is hot so gets cooled in the intercooler.
If it's gone with a pop you should be able to see any damage.
If any airs getting out theres your lost power. Should smoke though with a duff intercooler but they (well xuds anyway) don't always seem to.
If it's gone with a pop you should be able to see any damage.
If any airs getting out theres your lost power. Should smoke though with a duff intercooler but they (well xuds anyway) don't always seem to.
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Re: 2.0 HDi Xantia high speed power loss but fine round town
Cheers Elma will have a look, see what I find ....
On my 4th Citroën Xantia (X2 HDi (110))
Citroën sAXo Memphis Mk II
Gone
Xantia x3 (2.0i TCT Activa)(2.1 TD SX)(1.9 TD Estate)
Xsara HDi VTR Coupe / Saxo 1.1i / BX 1.9 d / 4 x AX's (1.4D /1.5D)
2 x 406 (1.9 TD Estate/2.1 TD Saloon) 405 1.9 D Estate 306 1.9 XTDT Hatch
Citroën sAXo Memphis Mk II
Gone
Xantia x3 (2.0i TCT Activa)(2.1 TD SX)(1.9 TD Estate)
Xsara HDi VTR Coupe / Saxo 1.1i / BX 1.9 d / 4 x AX's (1.4D /1.5D)
2 x 406 (1.9 TD Estate/2.1 TD Saloon) 405 1.9 D Estate 306 1.9 XTDT Hatch
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Re: 2.0 HDi Xantia high speed power loss but fine round town
Does the Xantia ECU have a restricted performance mode? Is the engine management light still on? My Jaguar goes into restricted performance when the EML comes on and won't go over 2500rpm.
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This thread http://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/v ... =3&t=53246" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; suggests the Xantia does have a Limp Home/ Restricted Performance mode. Getting your codes read might point you in the right driection
Addendum
This thread http://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/v ... =3&t=53246" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; suggests the Xantia does have a Limp Home/ Restricted Performance mode. Getting your codes read might point you in the right driection
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