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xantia clutch

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Hi all I have test driven a xantia 2.0 hdi with a view to buying it and I noticed that the clutch pedal was very heavy compared to my 1994 1.9 td, does anyone know if this is normal or could there be some underlying problem, it has done 137,000 miles, also would this model be a good replacement for my car which has done 256,000 miles and has started to develop problems ie. rear axel bearings shot, cant lock doors due to key doing a 360 degree with nothing happening, heater blows cold and rattle on offside front that I cant find. any help appreciated.
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I've bought Xantia's in the past with 126k and 136k on the clock, they were alot newer cars at the time but they didn't have any extra spent on them than one that I had with 26k. 137k isn't anything really for one, it's just age related things now seeing as they are getting on now,.

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Thanks Mark for your reply but what I forgot to say is that this car has the activa suspension and I don't know too much about it other than it supposed to be quite complicated and expensive to repair, so I am wondering if I would be better off looking for a Xantia without the Activa, any thoughts from you experts would be appreciated, than

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I've never had a hydractive xantia Bill, I'm sure Jim or Paul will be along shortly with advice.

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Post by CitroJim »

Bill, unless it's a left-hooker from the continent an HDi won't be an Activa...

Maybe it's a Hdractive model.. Is it an Exclusive?

As for clutch, being a pull clutch heaviness is a sign of wear and needing attention in the not too distant. When they get heavy there is always the risk of the release bearing pulling out of the diaphragm and concomitant potential damage to the hydraulics.n be moved to one side

On the plus-side a HDi clutch job is slightly easier than it might first appear as there is no need to totally remove the 'box. It can be moved to one side and then there's just room to do the job.
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If it's an Exclusive, then one would assume a 110 - in which case a heavy clutch is definitely bad - the (original) one on my 160k HDi 110 was still nice and light and smooth when it was scrapped - came in near the top mind.....
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I would say having had both at the same time that a good HDi clutch is a bit heavier than a good 1.9td clutch but I suspect if you have noticed its heavy something is not quite right. I am amazed how well these HDi clutches last I'm currently on the 320k miles with the original clutch on mine and I do a fair bit of heavy towing with it.

The HDi is a more economical car than the 1.9 and if it is a 110bhp it will be a better drive. Having said that the job list on yours doesn't sound too bad.
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Post by citroenxm »

ALL Exclsuives were 110bhp with hydraulic clutch...

ALL S and T reg HDis are 110bhp, this is because the 2.1 TD 110bhp was replaced first by the hdi.. then later in 1999 the XUD 1.9 was finally replaced with the HDi 90 engine.

So V, W X and Ys can be either a 90 or a 110, but Exclusives remained 110bhp setup.

HDi 90 setup used the old BE3 gearbox with a push clutch fitted and clutch cable.

I fitted a clutch in my exclusive and it was increadably light! Like there was nothing attached at the end of the pedal..
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Thanks for all your replies but I've got my wires very crossed, when I looked at the car I thought I saw the word "activa" on the panel where the suspension control lever is but it said "Airbag key" should have gone to specsavers! the car is an estate registered July 2000 and 1997cc. don't know the model or horsepower as its on French plates and the "Carte Gris" (log book) doesn't specify, on this information would it have a hydraulic or cable clutch as I am a bit concerned from what you have told me, many thanks
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Engine bay,

Look at engine...

HDi 110 Engine... Twin Air hoses to the right..

Image


A 90bhp just has a single pipe!

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Hi citroenxm

from your photos it looks like its 90 bhp as I remember a large plastic cover over the engine, I am going to have another look at it and will look in the footwell to see if its got a cable clutch, its had new spheres all round , new timing belt and water pump fairly recently and new front discs and pads very recently so the fairly heavy clutch pedal is my only real concern, many thanks for your help.
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Post by citroenxm »

The upper picture should also have the engine cover.. but it was removed when I took that pic. I was indicating the double air intake pipe more then anything..

id say you need a clutch then which in a hdi 90 is not that hard to do. Its a push clutch and the smaller be3 box so helps with room when dooing it and does not neccestate removing the engine or box just move it to the side..
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Post by CitroJim »

Yes, a BE3 clutch is a walk in the park compared to an HDi clutch!!! Same procedure as for a 1.9TD.. . I've done a full write-up on here. I'll dig kit out if you nee it..

Definitely a heavy clutch on a BE3 is a sign it is worn out. Much heavier and you risk braking the infamous clutch clip and/or the cable...
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Post by bill hughes »

citrojim many thanks for your reply, the clutch on this HDI is definitely heavier than my 1.9td if its a 110hp do you think that might be heavier, sorry to be a pest but a clutch is not a job I would undertake so would have to cough up, any ideas what it might cost. thanks again
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Post by citroenxm »

Hydraulic 110 clutchs dont appear to get heavy. Mine never did and then evenrually release bearing pulled through and the friction plate virtually gone.
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