Car won't start!
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Car won't start!
Hi all
Citroen Synergie 2.0 HDI 2001. Car broke down this morning whilst doing the school run. The wife told me it just lost power. Got it towed home and the engine turns but won't fire. Any ideas??
Cheers
Ian
Citroen Synergie 2.0 HDI 2001. Car broke down this morning whilst doing the school run. The wife told me it just lost power. Got it towed home and the engine turns but won't fire. Any ideas??
Cheers
Ian
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Re: Car won't start!
Classic symptoms of LP fuel pump failure - if it's got one. Post up the last 8 digits of the VIN, and we can check. If it doesn't then you will need to get it on a Lexia to see what it's upset about, might be a user near you: http://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/v ... 19&t=29178" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Hi Richard.
Many thanks for the help here. Vin No. is 12875338
Many thanks for the help here. Vin No. is 12875338
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Re: Car won't start!
could also be an injector
mine seemed to fail suddenly without notice , car wouldn't start for 10 months, unless I added easy start into the air intake side.. (may be worth trying this if you have some) ?
John
sorry re read original post, car stopped running and wouldn't start..
see Richards post
mine seemed to fail suddenly without notice , car wouldn't start for 10 months, unless I added easy start into the air intake side.. (may be worth trying this if you have some) ?
John
sorry re read original post, car stopped running and wouldn't start..
see Richards post
Re: Car won't start!
hope it aint the cam belt
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Re: Car won't start!
I don't know my way around the Service Citroen site well enough to say for sure if it has a pump in the fuel tank. Below is what the the fuel supply section says from your VIN number.
DW10ATED means it's an HDi 110 which (I think) all do have a lift pump in the tank. Someone will hopefully correct or confirm this. I have the same engine in my Xsara and the pump can be heard to run for a few seconds when turning the ignition on, prior to starting.
Fuel supply-Engine
ENGINE DW10ATED TURBO DIESEL WITHOUT FAP
FUEL FILLER CAP FUEL CAP WITH LOCK
DIESEL FILTER WATER DETECTOR WITHOUT DIESEL FILTER WATER DETECTOR
FUEL DIESEL FUEL
EMISSIONS STANDARD (ENGINE) EEC 95 DEPOLL (ENGINE)
PRE-FILTER ASSEMBLY WITHOUT PRE-FILTER
SPEED SENSOR SIGNAL SENSOR HALL EFFECT
ENGINE (TYPE) EW/DW
CATALYTIC CONVERTER 3 PARTS CATALYST
OIL COOLER MNTG WATER/OIL EXCHANGER ON ENGINE
CRANKCASE GAS CIRCUIT HEATING W/O HEATER CASING GAS CIRCUIT
RHEOSTAT RHEOSTAT
VEHICLE TECHNICAL DEPOLLUTION L3 VEHICLE TECHNICAL DEPOLLUTION
FUEL VAPOUR RETRIEVAL WITHOUT PETROL VAPOUR RECUPERATION
INJECTION ASSOCIATED VARIANT MOUNTING BOSCH
DW10ATED means it's an HDi 110 which (I think) all do have a lift pump in the tank. Someone will hopefully correct or confirm this. I have the same engine in my Xsara and the pump can be heard to run for a few seconds when turning the ignition on, prior to starting.
Fuel supply-Engine
ENGINE DW10ATED TURBO DIESEL WITHOUT FAP
FUEL FILLER CAP FUEL CAP WITH LOCK
DIESEL FILTER WATER DETECTOR WITHOUT DIESEL FILTER WATER DETECTOR
FUEL DIESEL FUEL
EMISSIONS STANDARD (ENGINE) EEC 95 DEPOLL (ENGINE)
PRE-FILTER ASSEMBLY WITHOUT PRE-FILTER
SPEED SENSOR SIGNAL SENSOR HALL EFFECT
ENGINE (TYPE) EW/DW
CATALYTIC CONVERTER 3 PARTS CATALYST
OIL COOLER MNTG WATER/OIL EXCHANGER ON ENGINE
CRANKCASE GAS CIRCUIT HEATING W/O HEATER CASING GAS CIRCUIT
RHEOSTAT RHEOSTAT
VEHICLE TECHNICAL DEPOLLUTION L3 VEHICLE TECHNICAL DEPOLLUTION
FUEL VAPOUR RETRIEVAL WITHOUT PETROL VAPOUR RECUPERATION
INJECTION ASSOCIATED VARIANT MOUNTING BOSCH
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Re: Car won't start!
You've got the answer there....
INJECTION ASSOCIATED VARIANT MOUNTING BOSCH
Bosch systems have an in tank pump. You can see it if you look under "air and fuel supply" in the engine section, and then "fuel tank fuel gauge" where you will see it says:
1525 V4
GAUGE WITH PUMP
So, can you hear the pump hum for about 10s at key on (before trying to crank it)? If not, then there is the cause. Now, it might not be the pump, so you need to check that the pump is still getting power. If the pump is accessible from inside the car (no idea!) then you can check at the pump, otherwise you will need to find the double relay under the bonnet and check there. If it's got power then the pump is goosed. Try whacking the underside of the tank whilst someone cranks it - that may be enough to make it spring into life. Unfortunately it it is the pump, it may be a tank out job to change it....
INJECTION ASSOCIATED VARIANT MOUNTING BOSCH
Bosch systems have an in tank pump. You can see it if you look under "air and fuel supply" in the engine section, and then "fuel tank fuel gauge" where you will see it says:
1525 V4
GAUGE WITH PUMP
So, can you hear the pump hum for about 10s at key on (before trying to crank it)? If not, then there is the cause. Now, it might not be the pump, so you need to check that the pump is still getting power. If the pump is accessible from inside the car (no idea!) then you can check at the pump, otherwise you will need to find the double relay under the bonnet and check there. If it's got power then the pump is goosed. Try whacking the underside of the tank whilst someone cranks it - that may be enough to make it spring into life. Unfortunately it it is the pump, it may be a tank out job to change it....
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Re: Car won't start!
Thanks for the confirmation RichardW.
I see from the OP's previous posts that you are neighbours (He is in Ayrshire).
I see from the OP's previous posts that you are neighbours (He is in Ayrshire).
Re: Car won't start!
If it's turning over and not firing then it could be either the camshaft or crankshaft sensor faulty or maybe just the connector has worked loose. The engine management system won't allow the engine to start if it can't tell what position either the camshaft or crankshaft are in.
If you have a manual it should tell you where the sensors are located. Otherwise a lexia session would seem like a good start (no pun intended!)
Rob
If you have a manual it should tell you where the sensors are located. Otherwise a lexia session would seem like a good start (no pun intended!)
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Many thanks for the replys fellas. I'll get back to you when I suss it out!!!
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Can't seem to find a manual for the Synergie. All I have is the Owners handbook and it doesn't list what relays are what! Anyone know which is the relay for the fuel pump?? Checked the 20 Amp fuse in the same compartment and all is fine there.
Cheers Again
Ian
Cheers Again
Ian
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Check for manuals for the Peugeot 806, or the Fiat Ulysse. Barring the badges they are (on the whole) the same as the Synergie.
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You can only get a manual on cd for these vehicles. I looked hard for one when I had my expert van.
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Yep, so this might be worth a look;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/workshop-serv ... 338c1813e0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
My copy does have the Synergie on them.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/workshop-serv ... 338c1813e0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
My copy does have the Synergie on them.
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Re: Car won't start!
Found the pump relay beside the battery attached to the inner wing. Can hear it clicking when the key is turned. Anyone know what models are covered with this in tank fuel pump? Just spent £400 on car two weeks ago getting it through MOT. Really don't want to spend another 130 on a new pump. Local scrap dealer has 2 still in the tanks sitting on a shelf but not sure if any of them will fit my car!