Phase 1 Xantia 1.9D not running well at all. :-S

This is the Forum for all your Citroen Technical Questions, Problems or Advice.

Moderator: RichardW

Post Reply
reanimation
Posts: 106
Joined: 01 Apr 2009, 11:43
Location: Manchester / Yorks
My Cars: Xsara Picasso 2.0 HDI Desire
Xantia ph1 1.9d (sadly gone forever)

Phase 1 Xantia 1.9D not running well at all. :-S

Post by reanimation »

Hi All, You've been great previously but I'm wondering if I'm now running out of luck using a 20 year old frenchie as a daily!!
It N/A 1.9D done 150k Miles

Replaced a few bits recently but at present it's running rough especially cold of course however...

I replaced the oil and filter a month or so ago, it was possibly slightly overdue and knowing winter was coming I got it done.
Air filter replaced.

I noticed another leak, diesel coming from the Lucas pump. So last week a diesel specialist in Stockport fixed it with a stripdown clean and new seals (i expect).

Leak free, it was still running rough driving back.

On Saturday I fitted the fuel filter I'd been putting off, I followed Haynes Book method and It started fine and drove round the block. Maybe this was overdue the 500ml of Diesel did look a bit murky and the old filter dirty at the bottom. It can only be a good thing and I really tried to bleed enough so no air was trapped.

I've had some injection cleaner in the tank from last refil, Millers brand.

So Yesterday went out locally and still rough and at one point on a straight, ended up with no power at all, slowly turned corner and cut out. Started up again and it got us home with care. Drove in today but being super super cold this morning it was the first time it's really struggled to start. Took several attempts. Finally got going and made it in it was lumpy though and cut out once at the first junction.

Where am I going wrong? is it doomed!?

Thanks. :)
citronut
Posts: 10937
Joined: 29 Apr 2005, 00:46
Location: United Kingdom east sussex
My Cars:
x 92

Re: Phase 1 Xantia 1.9D not running well at all. :-S

Post by citronut »

the first thing i would check/replace is the glow plugs, well for the bad starting at least,

did it run rough before the diesel fitter sorted the leaky pump?????

nout wrong using a 20 odd year old car as a daily drive, my BX TZD is 22 years old and still going strong
Regards, malcolm.

current ride a BX 1.7 TZD estate
1986 MK1 BX 1.9na D Auto(in Mothman Andy's stable )
layed up roppy 1.9TD XANT estate, now gone to meet her maker
purple and lilac metalic 2CV(VIOLET)registered to her in doors
1972 DS special been layed up aprox 31 years
RichardW
Forum Treasurer
Posts: 10871
Joined: 07 Aug 2002, 17:12
Location: United Kingdom
My Cars: MK2 '17 C4GP 1.6 BlueHDi 120
'13 3008 1.6 HDi GripControl
x 996

Re: Phase 1 Xantia 1.9D not running well at all. :-S

Post by RichardW »

Whip the in tank gauge / pick up out and have a look at it - there may well be a filter on the pickup that is gunged up.
Richard W
reanimation
Posts: 106
Joined: 01 Apr 2009, 11:43
Location: Manchester / Yorks
My Cars: Xsara Picasso 2.0 HDI Desire
Xantia ph1 1.9d (sadly gone forever)

Re: Phase 1 Xantia 1.9D not running well at all. :-S

Post by reanimation »

Thanks! Good idea I've never changed glow plugs. Easy to do? Not looked in HBol yet.
In tank thingie is a new one on me, something to also look for....

Yes its been a little rough for a while, thought all of these things were cause or part cause so I suppose you get more sensitive to the fault after each job. Plus its been getting colder too.
reanimation
Posts: 106
Joined: 01 Apr 2009, 11:43
Location: Manchester / Yorks
My Cars: Xsara Picasso 2.0 HDI Desire
Xantia ph1 1.9d (sadly gone forever)

Re: Phase 1 Xantia 1.9D not running well at all. :-S

Post by reanimation »

Oh dear...
Well I went out last night and a reasonable 2x 6 mile run for the city, and even though not perfect it wasnt bad just a bit strangled on power.

This morning, 1 degrees? It started reluctantly but better. I was warming up ready to go reversed to turn round, and stall! After that would not start, chug chug then just turning over so safe to say it's hating the cold at present. Perhaps flooded with cold fuel now.
Fun nursery and work run on the busses! See if it starts later on... Will have a chat top my friendly mechanic...
Hell Razor5543
Donor 2023
Posts: 13743
Joined: 01 Apr 2012, 09:47
Location: Reading
My Cars: C5 Mk2 VTX+ estate.
x 3007

Re: Phase 1 Xantia 1.9D not running well at all. :-S

Post by Hell Razor5543 »

Definitely check the fuel tank pickup. There are microbes that thrive in diesel, and over time they clog the fuel pickup. There are photos of this on the forum. Apparently it is a good idea to do this with a tank that is low on fuel, as it can be a messy job.

http://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/v ... 0&p=279995" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
James
ex BX 1.9
ex Xantia 2.0HDi SX
ex Xantia 2.0HDi LX
Ex C5 2.0HDi VTR
Ex C5 2.0HDi VTR

C5 2.2HDi VTX+
Yes, I am paranoid, but am I paranoid ENOUGH?
Out amongst the stars, looking for a world of my own!
reanimation
Posts: 106
Joined: 01 Apr 2009, 11:43
Location: Manchester / Yorks
My Cars: Xsara Picasso 2.0 HDI Desire
Xantia ph1 1.9d (sadly gone forever)

Re: Phase 1 Xantia 1.9D not running well at all. :-S

Post by reanimation »

urrrrgh! haha! :S Right this is worth a look then, makes sense with the diesel being thicker when cold.

Theres prob 25 or 30 litres in there at present.
Hell Razor5543
Donor 2023
Posts: 13743
Joined: 01 Apr 2012, 09:47
Location: Reading
My Cars: C5 Mk2 VTX+ estate.
x 3007

Re: Phase 1 Xantia 1.9D not running well at all. :-S

Post by Hell Razor5543 »

I haven't (yet) had to do this, but from what I can remember (from this on the forum) you need to be careful of the plastic locking ring (apparently somebody has the dimensions to make a wooden spanner!), and of dropping the wires out of view. I would suggest that, before unplugging them, you tie a length of string to the wires and then to something secure.
James
ex BX 1.9
ex Xantia 2.0HDi SX
ex Xantia 2.0HDi LX
Ex C5 2.0HDi VTR
Ex C5 2.0HDi VTR

C5 2.2HDi VTX+
Yes, I am paranoid, but am I paranoid ENOUGH?
Out amongst the stars, looking for a world of my own!
Northern_Mike

Re: Phase 1 Xantia 1.9D not running well at all. :-S

Post by Northern_Mike »

Sounds like it's drawing air in to me. Check all the fuel lines for cracks and perishing. Try pumping the rubber primer bulb until it's hard to see if this makes a difference before you start it or when it's running badly.
reanimation
Posts: 106
Joined: 01 Apr 2009, 11:43
Location: Manchester / Yorks
My Cars: Xsara Picasso 2.0 HDI Desire
Xantia ph1 1.9d (sadly gone forever)

Re: Phase 1 Xantia 1.9D not running well at all. :-S

Post by reanimation »

Thanks, thats another great suggestion to look at.
reanimation
Posts: 106
Joined: 01 Apr 2009, 11:43
Location: Manchester / Yorks
My Cars: Xsara Picasso 2.0 HDI Desire
Xantia ph1 1.9d (sadly gone forever)

Re: Phase 1 Xantia 1.9D not running well at all. :-S

Post by reanimation »

Had my local (neighbours) garage look at it. they can find no issue other than probably the pump, they could fit a new one or go back to Wilkinsons Diesel centre. Looks like I might be going back to Wilkinsons Diesel Centre for them to look at it. Could still be tank too I guess.

Could get expensive though by the sound of it!
Northern_Mike

Re: Phase 1 Xantia 1.9D not running well at all. :-S

Post by Northern_Mike »

Where are you based?
reanimation
Posts: 106
Joined: 01 Apr 2009, 11:43
Location: Manchester / Yorks
My Cars: Xsara Picasso 2.0 HDI Desire
Xantia ph1 1.9d (sadly gone forever)

Re: Phase 1 Xantia 1.9D not running well at all. :-S

Post by reanimation »

Manchester. Easterly.
Stewart(oily)
Posts: 894
Joined: 07 Oct 2005, 16:31
Location: North Wales
My Cars: Citroens since 1990, BX Diesel, GTI, TZD with 1.9 TD running extra boost before it was fashionable!, ZX Volcane TD, S2 Xantia break 1.9TD, Xantia HDI 110, currently zipping about in a C2 Diesel. C2 died from the dreaded worm, C3 Picasso HDI Exclusive, the adventure continues.
x 31

Re: Phase 1 Xantia 1.9D not running well at all. :-S

Post by Stewart(oily) »

Sounds like air is getting in somewhere, once going these engines usually just run.
BXs since 1993 built 1.9 TZD turbo, got a S2 Xantia estate, brilliant car! 2013, Xantia HDI LX 110 2000 new car with 122,000, l C2 HDI Rusty rocket, C3 Picasso HDI new to me.
evilally
(Donor 2020)
Posts: 742
Joined: 17 Apr 2008, 22:39
Location: Clydebank, Near Glasgow.
My Cars:
x 2

Re: Phase 1 Xantia 1.9D not running well at all. :-S

Post by evilally »

Yes, sounds like air ingress. Buy a piece of transparent fuel hose, and install it between the pump and filter. Bleed the system, and rev the engine whilst watching for air bubbles. If there is, you can then install transparent hose elsewhere in the fuel system until you isolate the component letting in air, there are lots of places it can get in especially as the rubber hoses get old and start to turn brittle. If you have no air going into the pump, it's also worth installing it on the return line. If you find air on the return but not the inlet, then the pump itself could be leaking, or one of the injector leak off pipes.
'96 405 1.6 GLX with 306 GTI engine on Cat cams @ 195bhp

'05 RenaultSport Clio 182 Cup, 102k

'97 406 1.9TD, 314k.
Post Reply