Lighty wrote:Wonder how much Citroen will be charging at every service for this .
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Mainly consists of water and urea,, that's p**s isn't it
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Lighty wrote:Wonder how much Citroen will be charging at every service for this .
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This is a sensible post, working on these vehicles day to day itis clear that the diesels are far more expensive to maintain, you have to put smelly fuel in, which can get on your hands & feet.Richard_C wrote:I've done some quick diesel/petrol sums. Model for model the base 100 bhp diesel engine is about £2k more expensive than the 82 bhp petrol. Assume that you might get £1k more resale/trade in for the diesel after 5 years. If you can get real world 65mpg from diesel and 47mpg from petrol, current prices and add a 0.25p/mile for your blue stuff assuming dealers charge £50 to fill it up at 20k services, the break even is about 8000 - 9000 miles a year depending on how you finance that initial extra £2k. I see that the diesel is group 18 insurance, the petrol group 10. Not sure what that means in real money. For most, the petrol is probably a better deal, and I speak as someone with 3 diesels in the drive.
But the latest direct-injection petrol engines (unlike the latest diesels) can't meet Euro 6B /C standards, especially for particulates. (In fact they produce many times more particulates than older, non-direct injection designs.) Consequently, before long petrol engines will also have to use particulate filters and 'GPF' will be a new acronym that everyone will have to get used to. ('Gasoline Particulate Filter'.) As both diesels and petrol engines will be equipped with very similar technologies, petrol engines won't offer any real 'advantages' in terms of the need for emission control systems.Lighty wrote: By the time your " blue HDI" is 5 years old, it may be that the diesel bubble has burst completely, and folk relies that Euro 6 emission rules have ended our love affair with the tractor engined cars.
Give the willingness of so many to by-pass the pollution-control systems on their cars, I guess that Oxford street is likely to have one of the world's highest levels of nitrogen oxide pollution for some time yet...Lighty wrote:My ECU man is already removing ad blue systems from Audi VW products, so guess they are not perfect.
It all comes down to money in this country for sure, my son and I were discussing yesterday how often car owners are " weighing up " wether it's worth spending money on a car because of its value.Bob L'eponge wrote:Give the willingness of so many to by-pass the pollution-control systems on their cars, I guess that Oxford street is likely to have one of the world's highest levels of nitrogen oxide pollution for some time yet...Lighty wrote:My ECU man is already removing ad blue systems from Audi VW products, so guess they are not perfect.
Me neither. Much of the problems arises from the fact that the UK is much more status-orientated than most of Europe, and traditionally cars have been seen as a primary means of expressing ones position in the hierarchy. In turn, running the newest car possible has always been a favourite way of 'Keeping up with the Jonses'. Add the overflow from the fleet sector and the UK car market is, as a consequence, chock full of used vehicles that are ridiculously devalued after just a couple of years. These low used values then discourage people from spending money on cars that aren't worth much than the cost of repairs or a new set of Michelins. Here in France most people most to see cars as being just a way to get around, not status symbols, so they keep them for longer, buy new vehicles less frequently and so used prices are much more buoyant. By way of illustration, I got 3000 Euros for the last car I sold, a sound but nine-year-old Fiat Marea Weekend JTD with over 250,000 km on it! In the UK it would have been worth just its scrap value.Lighty wrote: It all comes down to money in this country for sure, my son and I were discussing yesterday how often car owners are " weighing up " wether it's worth spending money on a car because of its value. Compared to much of Europe, especially let's say Holland , owners will spend whatever it takes to keep a car in decent condition, so for example you will see many old cars with Michelin tyres. Here in the UK, punters think nothing of fitting budget tyres at the first change Can't see this changing anytime soon.
I'm not sure that I agree with that. At least for petrol engines "older" cars haven't been smoky pollution producing dinosaurs for a long time now. Near universal adoption of three way catalytic converters and fuel injection appeared in the late 80's and was cemented in the early 90's.Richard_C wrote:One unintended consequence of all this emission complexity is that people might hold on to older, smokier cars for far too long.
How did you work out that figure?Hell Razor5543 wrote:I remember reading somewhere that the 'green' protesters were strongly suggesting that the Eden Project in Cornwall should become accessible via public transport only, as all the cars that were going there were generating massive amounts of CO2. What was conspicuously absent from their blurb was the fact that it only took 6 trees to absorb that amount of CO2!