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Declaring SORN

Post by CitroJim » 15 Jun 2014, 11:51

I've now taken the XM off the road and taken it off insurance cover (transferred to the C1).

As cars have to be continuously insured and my XM is now not should I declare SORN?

Also, should I now cash in the tax disc or can I leave it and perhaps sell the remaining tax to an new owner?

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Post by Northern_Mike » 15 Jun 2014, 13:49

Declare SORN , keep the tax on it Jim. It makes it easier to sell. I know they're changing the law in October to stop people doing this....

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Re: Declaring SORN

Post by CitroJim » 15 Jun 2014, 14:51

Thanks Mike...

SORN being declared now..

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Re: Declaring SORN

Post by citronut » 16 Jun 2014, 07:46

you must declare it SORN Jim, which you probably know you can do online with either the long number on the V5 or the tax reminder,
this is very easy

https://www.taxdisc.direct.gov.uk/EvlPo ... =directgov" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

regarding selling the car with tax on, i have read somewhere honest.GOV.COM are making it ( if its not in place already ) so road tac will/is not transferable to the new keep

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Re: Declaring SORN

Post by citronut » 16 Jun 2014, 07:52

ps.
what Mike said

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Post by Northern_Mike » 16 Jun 2014, 07:59

They're changing the rules about tax not being transferable at the end of October. Damn stupid IMO. It's a complete ballache to buy an untaxed car. Say one wanted to buy Jim's XM, it's untaxed and you can only get there on a Sunday when the post office is shut.

Drive it home untaxed? Make another journey in a weekday when Jim and you would have to take some time off work so you can tax it near Jim's? How are you supposed to tax it in your own name if you're not the registered keeper?

What about if the car is taxed.. how does the buyer reclaim it on the day you buy it? Same applies.. then how do you tax it?

Obviously there are ways round it but to to it the "official" way looks like it will be a nuisance for many.

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Post by citronut » 16 Jun 2014, 13:23

northern_mike wrote:They're changing the rules about tax not being transferable at the end of October. Damn stupid IMO.
i think its a good idea as its all in the bid to stop uninsured drivers buying a taxed car and driving it about, i know ANPR is supposed to pick up on this, but i have had customers come to me to MOT there cars when they realised it had expired 2 or 3 months before,
northern_mike wrote: It's a complete ballache to buy an untaxed car. Say one wanted to buy Jim's XM, it's untaxed and you can only get there on a Sunday when the post office is shut.
aparently some Tesco One stop stores are going to have post office counters which will be open the same time as the store
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How are you supposed to tax it in your own name if you're not the registered keeper?
the only way the new keeper can do this at the moment is at a post office with the new keepers supplement ( green slip )

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Re: Declaring SORN

Post by KP » 16 Jun 2014, 14:12

But they are going to make £100's of millions on the unrefunable tax and over tax being charged.

Another way to bump up the coffers for the gov by doing very little and claiming its for the good of society.

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Post by Northern_Mike » 16 Jun 2014, 14:35

There's obvious ways to get round it if you know the seller well enough obviously....

It makes it all very inconvenient for any of us though! All very well that a tesco might tax a car. Nearest one to me is 8 miles away through the centre of Reading. It'll do nothing to stop people driving untaxed and uninsured cars. Those that wish to do it will continue to do it. It doesn't stop them now, does it? If ANPR isn't stopping them now, it's not going to stop them in a few months either is it?

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Post by addo » 16 Jun 2014, 22:08

Exactly. As one supplier of welded security doors and grilles said to me "You can only stop the honest criminals".

For everyone else of a serious criminal leaning, extra laws are simply added frisson to the "game on" scenario. Do the UK lower courts still have the provision for poor people (who aren't there on a charge) to plead for a handout from the court's penalty revenue?

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Post by Northern_Mike » 16 Jun 2014, 22:51

We still have the "victim surcharge" on fines if that's what you mean Addo? Kind of thing where they add £50 to a speeding fine and it apparently goes to helping victims of crime.

I've not been up before the beak since 1999 now so my info may be out of date.

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Re: Declaring SORN

Post by myglaren » 16 Jun 2014, 23:15

Often wondered what the Victim Surcharge was. Too idle to look it up :(

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Post by CitroJim » 17 Jun 2014, 08:12

northern_mike wrote:How are you supposed to tax it in your own name if you're not the registered keeper?
I reckon you'll find you may be able to..

My C1 was pre-taxed when I collected it so there must be a way...

It'll all be connected with the plan to bin paper tax discs at about the same time anyway...

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Post by citronut » 17 Jun 2014, 09:00

CitroJim wrote: My C1 was pre-taxed when I collected it so there must be a way...
i think new car dealers will probably still be able to tax new car as and when they are sold Jim,

as this is different to transferring the tax to a new keeper

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Re: Declaring SORN

Post by Hell Razor5543 » 17 Jun 2014, 21:20

Plus the changes only are supposed to come in in October.