Berlingo timming belt
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Berlingo timming belt
Hi I have recently purchased a berlingo 1.9 d 2006 and wondered how difficult it is to do the timming belt and water pump ,looking at the Haynes manual it states you must use a electronic belt tensioner tool ,is there another way to do the job without the use of this tool .
Re: Berlingo timing belt
Well, , no there's not.
However, I don't know anybody who has one and I've never seen one.
I've done loads of timing belts and my Pugeot specialist colleagues have probably done even more.
If you can do a Ford Pinto timing belt, you can do one of these.
You can borrow some of the belt cover bolts to use instead of the professional locking pins, which removes the fear of the cam moving during the job, but you do have to support the engine and remove the top mounting for access.
Working in the wheelarch is actually easier than scrabbling about under the front bumper, as you would on the Cortina or its siblings.
Should you decide to go ahead without the tension meter, which you mustn't do , then the following may be of use.
If the belt whines, with pitch increasing in line with revs, it's too tight.
If it rumbles at particular revs and goes quiet at other revs, it's too loose.
If it's silent at all revs, then maybe it's right. You can test it with a "seems" gauge!
However, I don't know anybody who has one and I've never seen one.
I've done loads of timing belts and my Pugeot specialist colleagues have probably done even more.
If you can do a Ford Pinto timing belt, you can do one of these.
You can borrow some of the belt cover bolts to use instead of the professional locking pins, which removes the fear of the cam moving during the job, but you do have to support the engine and remove the top mounting for access.
Working in the wheelarch is actually easier than scrabbling about under the front bumper, as you would on the Cortina or its siblings.
Should you decide to go ahead without the tension meter, which you mustn't do , then the following may be of use.
If the belt whines, with pitch increasing in line with revs, it's too tight.
If it rumbles at particular revs and goes quiet at other revs, it's too loose.
If it's silent at all revs, then maybe it's right. You can test it with a "seems" gauge!
Sparksie
2000 Xantia 1.9TurboD
2000 Xantia 1.9TurboD
Re: Berlingo timing belt
i did purchase a digital seems gauge as i found one being ssold very cheap on ebay,sparksie wrote:Well, , no there's not.
but i have never used or worked out how to work it
the usual rule of thumb it you should be ble to only just turn holding with finger and thumb the longest straight run of the belt by about 90 degrees ( from flat to on its edge, it should feel quite firm in doing this
i wouldnt want to run the engine toooooo much in either of these scenarios,sparksie wrote: If the belt whines, with pitch increasing in line with revs, it's too tight.
If it rumbles at particular revs and goes quiet at other revs, it's too loose.
especially the second one, if you run the engine with it toooooo loose you have a very good chance of it slipping/jumping some tooothies,
Regards, malcolm.
current ride a BX 1.7 TZD estate
1986 MK1 BX 1.9na D Auto(in Mothman Andy's stable )
layed up roppy 1.9TD XANT estate, now gone to meet her maker
purple and lilac metalic 2CV(VIOLET)registered to her in doors
1972 DS special been layed up aprox 31 years
current ride a BX 1.7 TZD estate
1986 MK1 BX 1.9na D Auto(in Mothman Andy's stable )
layed up roppy 1.9TD XANT estate, now gone to meet her maker
purple and lilac metalic 2CV(VIOLET)registered to her in doors
1972 DS special been layed up aprox 31 years
Re: Berlingo timing belt
Indeed, no you shouldn't run them tight or loose.
I only provided the information so the OP can recognise if a mistake has been made resulting in either condition, rather than going ahead and using the van in that condition.
Whining is surprisingly common. We see a lot of cars with VERY tight belts. They come in for servicing, having had a major service and belt done elsewhere, expecting a basic service. I usually point out the noisy belt and refuse to touch the car unless I can change the belt as well.
With my luck it would break before the next service, leaving me as the last person to touch it and therefore, naturally, to blame!
I've had people ask why a headlamp bulb that blew two weeks after a service wasn't changed during the service, telling me it's not good enough and they'll never be back and they'll tell all their friends what a shoddy operation I'm running.
Sometimes you need ESP in this game!
The same caution makes me reluctant to give exact procedures for critical jobs, that differ significantly from the manufacturers instructions.
No matter how successful my method is, if it fails for somebody else, following my advice, I could end up with a liability without ever having seen their car!
Malcolm's rule of thumb has worked for me, more times than I care to remember.
Nowadays I just know when it feels right and the only one I've ever had break was caused by a duff water pump and the full cost of the repair was covered by the pump manufacturer.
I'm our seems gauge, because when called to check a newly installed belt, prior to boxing up, I've been known to say "Seems ok!", or "Seems tight!" on more than a few occasions!
I only provided the information so the OP can recognise if a mistake has been made resulting in either condition, rather than going ahead and using the van in that condition.
Whining is surprisingly common. We see a lot of cars with VERY tight belts. They come in for servicing, having had a major service and belt done elsewhere, expecting a basic service. I usually point out the noisy belt and refuse to touch the car unless I can change the belt as well.
With my luck it would break before the next service, leaving me as the last person to touch it and therefore, naturally, to blame!
I've had people ask why a headlamp bulb that blew two weeks after a service wasn't changed during the service, telling me it's not good enough and they'll never be back and they'll tell all their friends what a shoddy operation I'm running.
Sometimes you need ESP in this game!
The same caution makes me reluctant to give exact procedures for critical jobs, that differ significantly from the manufacturers instructions.
No matter how successful my method is, if it fails for somebody else, following my advice, I could end up with a liability without ever having seen their car!
Malcolm's rule of thumb has worked for me, more times than I care to remember.
Nowadays I just know when it feels right and the only one I've ever had break was caused by a duff water pump and the full cost of the repair was covered by the pump manufacturer.
I'm our seems gauge, because when called to check a newly installed belt, prior to boxing up, I've been known to say "Seems ok!", or "Seems tight!" on more than a few occasions!
Sparksie
2000 Xantia 1.9TurboD
2000 Xantia 1.9TurboD
Re: Berlingo timing belt
thanks for your advise