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NOW FOUND -Xantia bottom rad hose wanted/possible group buy

Post by wurlycorner »

Hi all,

As anyone that's read my Activa profile thread/blog will know, I need to source a replacement bottom rad hose for the 2.0 Turbo engine.
Citroen have discontinued the hose and after a week and half searching aftermarket suppliers, I've drawn a blank (several show it in stock but then confirm they're unable to supply after I've placed an order) but I'm damned if I'm going to kill off a car just because of needing a rad hose!!!

Purpose of this thread then, is two-fold;
Firstly, does anyone possibly know where one of these hoses might still be found?
Secondly, if not, I'll have to get one custom made so am wondering if there's any interest in a 'group buy'.


The hose in question is the bottom rad hose. Runs from the back of the engine to the expansion tank and then to the bottom of the rad. It has normal hose clips at the engine and expansion tank and a bayonet quick connector at the rad - pics are in my Xantia profile thread (click the link in my signature).

According to http://www.allparts.cc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; the Citroen part number is 1343P1 and it fits the following Xantia's;
  • CITROËN XANTIA (X1) / 1.6 i 03.1993 - 01.1998 65 Kv - 88 Hp / BFZ (XU5JP) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA (X1) / 1.8 i 03.1993 - 01.1998 74 Kv - 101 Hp / LFZ (XU7JP) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA (X1) / 1.8 i 04.1997 - 01.1998 66 Kv - 90 Hp / LFX (XU7JB) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA (X1) / 1.8 i 16V 06.1995 - 01.1998 81 Kv - 110 Hp / LFY (XU7JP4) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA (X1) / 2.0 i 03.1993 - 01.1998 89 Kv - 121 Hp / RFX (XU10J2C) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA (X1) / 2.0 i 16V 06.1994 - 01.1998 110 Kv - 150 Hp / RFT (XU10J4/Z) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA (X1) / 2.0 i 16V 06.1995 - 01.1998 97 Kv - 132 Hp / RFV (XU10J4R) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA (X1) / 2.0 Turbo 06.1995 - 01.1998 108 Kv - 147 Hp / RGX (XU10J2TE) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA (X2) / 1.6 i SX 01.1998 - 03.2001 65 Kv - 88 Hp / BFZ (XU5JP) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA (X2) / 1.8 i 01.1998 - 04.2003 66 Kv - 90 Hp / LFX (XU7JB) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA (X2) / 1.8 i 16V 01.1998 - 04.2003 81 Kv - 110 Hp / LFY (XU7JP4) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA (X2) / 2.0 i 01.1998 - 04.2003 89 Kv - 121 Hp / RFX (XU10J2C) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA (X2) / 2.0 i 16V 01.1998 - 04.2003 97 Kv - 132 Hp / RFV (XU10J4R) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA Break (X1) / 1.8 i 06.1995 - 01.1998 74 Kv - 101 Hp / LFZ (XU7JP) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA Break (X1) / 1.8 i 04.1997 - 01.1998 66 Kv - 90 Hp / LFX (XU7JB) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA Break (X1) / 1.8 i 16V 06.1995 - 01.1998 81 Kv - 110 Hp / LFY (XU7JP4) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA Break (X1) / 2.0 i 06.1995 - 01.1998 89 Kv - 121 Hp / RFX (XU10J2C) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA Break (X1) / 2.0 i 16V 06.1995 - 01.1998 97 Kv - 132 Hp / RFV (XU10J4R) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA Break (X1) / 2.0 Turbo 06.1995 - 01.1998 108 Kv - 147 Hp / RGX (XU10J2TE) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA Break (X2) / 1.8 i 01.1998 - 04.2003 66 Kv - 90 Hp / LFX (XU7JB) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA Break (X2) / 1.8 i 16V 01.1998 - 04.2003 81 Kv - 110 Hp / LFY (XU7JP4) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA Break (X2) / 2.0 i 16V 01.1998 - 04.2003 97 Kv - 132 Hp / RFV (XU10J4R) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA Estate (X1) / 1.8 i 06.1995 - 01.1998 74 Kv - 101 Hp / LFZ (XU7JP) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA Estate (X1) / 1.8 i 04.1997 - 01.1998 66 Kv - 90 Hp / LFX (XU7JB) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA Estate (X1) / 1.8 i 16V 06.1995 - 01.1998 81 Kv - 110 Hp / LFY (XU7JP4) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA Estate (X1) / 2.0 i 06.1995 - 01.1998 89 Kv - 121 Hp / RFX (XU10J2C) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA Estate (X1) / 2.0 i 16V 06.1995 - 01.1998 97 Kv - 132 Hp / RFV (XU10J4R) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA Estate (X1) / 2.0 Turbo 06.1995 - 01.1998 108 Kv - 147 Hp / RGX (XU10J2TE) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA Estate (X2) / 1.8 i 01.1998 - 04.2003 66 Kv - 90 Hp / LFX (XU7JB) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA Estate (X2) / 1.8 i 16V 01.1998 - 04.2003 81 Kv - 110 Hp / LFY (XU7JP4) Petrol Engine
    CITROËN XANTIA Estate (X2) / 2.0 i 16V 01.1998 - 04.2003 97 Kv - 132 Hp / RFV (XU10J4R) Petrol Engine
(If anyone can confirm any of those details with the Citroen epc, please feel free to feedback!)

As I've been drawing a blank with original part supply, I've started making enquiries into getting one custom made.

I'm not sure if 'Group buys' are common on here or not, but they're often used on other forums for my other cars (e.g. ludegeneration.co.uk) so I'd be interested in setting one up for this to help everyone (and myself) out.

For those who don't know how these things work, it's not about anyone making money, it's about saving costs or getting a manufacturing run of something that is otherwise not available/viable. e.g. Suppose the tooling costs are £400 (likely), if only I order the hose then I pay the full £400 myself (ouch!). If 2 people order we'd pay £200 each. If 10 people order we'd only pay £40 each etc.
It would run like this;
- People sign up on here for their interest in joinging the group buy, so I get a good idea of quantity (interest only at this stage, no prices etc.)
- I go away to suppliers and confirm price/timescale
- I come back on here with price and timescale details
- people confirm if they want to go ahead
- I collect deposits from people on here and then I pay and place the full order
- parts get delivered to me and as people pay me the full outstanding balance, I then post the parts out to them

So this is only at the 'interest' stage at the moment, so that I know if it's just me, or if I might be able to offer a bulk sale to the manufacturer.

If anyone is interested, please copy the list below and add your username and quantity you'd be interested in.

Thanks


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Re: Xantia bottom rad hose - wanted / possible group buy

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Shame its a TCT engine,

Im sure Ive got about 3 or 4 XUD TD type ones, which wont be too far different to a TCT one, in my shed!!!
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Is this the offending article? The bottom connection.

If you find it impossible to source the proper hose, here are some random thoughts on alternatives :)

Apart from this particular connection, would the rest of the hose be able to be replicated with generic rubber hosing of the appropriate diameter and specification for carrying hot coolant. Never looked before so not sure such hose exists! Even if it doesn't exist new it could be butchered from "end of life vehicles" probably not even Citroens, to assemble a workable hose which connects up to the other plumbing junctions required.

Of course you would have to make a water tight connection at the bottom end of the radiator, which appears to be this "bayonet style" fitting.

The top hose in your other pictures seems to have the same bayonet fitting, and looks in much better condition than the bottom one. If possible you could get a second hand top hose with the bayonet connection, cut it off with a length of hose attached, and splice this into another pipe with a bit of metal tube and two jubilee clips.

The female connection looks from the pic to be an integral part of the moulding on the radiator. I presume there is not enough "lip" to make a standard connection with jubilee clips and a plain hose end. Could a connection point be created by permanently sealing in a short straight metal tube into the female end ( which would normally take the bayonet fitting) using an appropriate Loctite product.

Maybe the hose problem could be circumvented by replacing the radiator with one with "standard connections" making plumbing solutions a little easier.

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Those bottom hoses are a real pain.

I replaced mine. Cut off the rusted connector and used a hose I had laying about. All you need is a hose with the necessary change in diameter. Jubilee clip around the rad plastic end and a bit of pipe to connect the hoses.

Failing that use a top rad hose and cut and connect. There must be loads of top rad hoses about - they don't rust.

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The rad was being replaced because it was knackered anyway and I didn't fancy bodging connectors onto a brand new rad tbh.

Anyway, no interest in a group buy and the few enquiries I had made about getting one custom made weren't going well (and I had no response from the OEM) however by a stroke of luck, this turned up on ebay.
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It's the wrong hose according to the listing and any parts cross-referencing I tried, but it 'looked' right so I took a punt and bought it. Turns out it is exactly the same, except that the connection to the back of the engine is about 5mm larger diameter - not a major issue to overcome! :D
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Not sure if this part number is still available from Citroen?

Anyway, good luck to whoever next needs to replace this hose!


Once I'm sure the bottom connection isn't leaking, I plan on wrapping the outside of it in amalgamating tape, to stop it corroding again (I think this one goes because it's exposed to the elements through the front of the car, whereas the top one isn't).
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Those hoses are such a PITA.. Often the hose can be saved by removing bumper, disconnecting at engine end and disconnecting from the expansion tank and then removing the old rad complete with hose. With the rad in the frsh air it's much easier to deal with it and to further save the hose carefully break the socket on the rad apart and then clean up the bayonet on the end of the hose. I've had success several times now using this method.

It also applies to the 2.1TD and late 1.9TD. The bottom hose from the latter may well fit the TCT but the 2.1TD one definitely won't as it has no tee as the expansion tank is on the bulkhead.
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Part no shows it's the 1.9TD hose. Apparently still available, but costs £60....
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CitroJim wrote:Those hoses are such a PITA.. Often the hose can be saved by removing bumper, disconnecting at engine end and disconnecting from the expansion tank and then removing the old rad complete with hose. With the rad in the frsh air it's much easier to deal with it and to further save the hose carefully break the socket on the rad apart and then clean up the bayonet on the end of the hose.
Yep, mine was well past that unfortunately!
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Yep, on this occasion Iain, I'm temped to agree yours was beyond redemption!
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No early butchering involved - there's nothing you can do when the metal is entirely rusted like that. There is no actual metal left of the bayonet, it is all crumbly rust. The only reason the hose is still attached into the rad is because rust expands, so it's jammed the hose inside the plastic housing, even with the housing split!
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Nope, it was fubar'd, end of. I did deliberately make a clean cut and keep all the bits though, in case I had to re-use any of them :D (have learnt that the hard way before).

I admit I sure as heck didn't expect to not be able to buy a replacement though!!!
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wurlycorner wrote:The rad was being replaced because it was knackered anyway and I didn't fancy bodging connectors onto a brand new rad tbh.

Anyway, no interest in a group buy and the few enquiries I had made about getting one custom made weren't going well (and I had no response from the OEM) however by a stroke of luck, this turned up on ebay.
Image
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It's the wrong hose according to the listing and any parts cross-referencing I tried, but it 'looked' right so I took a punt and bought it. Turns out it is exactly the same, except that the connection to the back of the engine is about 5mm larger diameter - not a major issue to overcome! :D
Image

Not sure if this part number is still available from Citroen?

Anyway, good luck to whoever next needs to replace this hose!


Once I'm sure the bottom connection isn't leaking, I plan on wrapping the outside of it in amalgamating tape, to stop it corroding again (I think this one goes because it's exposed to the elements through the front of the car, whereas the top one isn't).
Hi I have come up with same problem the lower hose which is part number 1343.W9 seems to be out of stock everywhere - from what you have discovered 1343.Z0 seems to be an option albeit with the connection to back of engine - how has yours worked out? Do you still have the car?
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Chris, one solution if the majority of yours is good is to replace just the rotten section as that end is quite simple pipe. Cut it back and use a proper straight joiner onto some new hose and all should be good...
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CitroJim wrote:Chris, one solution if the majority of yours is good is to replace just the rotten section as that end is quite simple pipe. Cut it back and use a proper straight joiner onto some new hose and all should be good...
that is one possibility all right if I cant find anything. I am finding other part nos now - like 1343.Z0 and it says suitable for my car 90hp TD - there is a supplier in Turkey with one in stock. Also 1343.K9 seems to be coming up as an option. I will get on to main dealer here in Dublin in morning and see if they have any of those part nos - maybe 1343.W9 is an older number.
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Ahh good :D Pleased to see some options opening up...
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