HELP ENGINE PROBLEM, 1.8 16V XANTIA

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HELP ENGINE PROBLEM, 1.8 16V XANTIA

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Hi everyone, started car all normal, drove half mile then, it lost power like I was low on fuel pulled over, the engine would run , but was all over the place, would tick over at a 1000 then drop to 100 and back to 1000 up down up down.

This morn replaced fuel filter as it was as old as the car hoping it was that, well the bad news its not. Still doing the same. I can rev it to full but doing the same ,on idle up down up down. So any ideas please people.
I dont think its the coil pack as it done that before twice and it dont feel the same as when that went .
All cylinders work as I've disconnected at injectors one by one and there was no change to the problem ,so im a bit stumped to whats wrong ???

Any help i would be most grateful as im under a lot of stress at the moment so cant wrap my head around the problem as i normally would. Thank you harry [-o<
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Harry I have no experience of this particular engine however with your symptoms there are three places I would look. First idle stepper motor/control valve/ICV, if this engine has one that is. I know on a couple of the TU engines these often did fail. Double check, coils/leads/plugs, might be good practise to change the plugs regardless. Check fuel delivery lines for leaks/cracks, anyplace where air could enter or fuel pressure could be lost. Might be worth trying a battery removal to reset the ecu/bsi (the motoring equivalent of turning a computer on and off), Sam
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Can you ask an exhaust indy if they think the cat's blocked?
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Could be a faulty MAP sensor. When I unplug mine it does what you describe when cold - it will start after a couple of attempts but sometimes needs throttle, then will try to stall, surge up to higher than idle, try to stall etc a few times.

Two questions - if you hold the throttle open a bit will it run at a steady higher than idle speed ? Are you still really down on power if you try to drive the car ?

In my experience a faulty MAP sensor that is putting out 0 volts on the signal wire will prevent the car from starting at all, or if it does start it will struggle to keep going - try unplugging the MAP sensor and see what happens. Many ECU's have a fallback strategy to make do without the MAP sensor connected, it won't run as smoothly as normal but it should at least run. If unplugging the MAP sensor makes it run better chances are you need a new MAP sensor.
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well I feel like an idiot !!!! #-o :oops: just proves the stress makes it so you cant see the wood for the trees ! i went to check idle speed motor and what did i find , well the lead to the air flow censor on the throttle body was hanging off DOH !!! well the metal holding clip was missing, lucky ive got a spare so refitted it, disconected battery for 10 min, reconnected it started her up and ticked over perfect , revved her and she was a little slow to react but after half a dozen trys she was back to normal, so took her out for a drive city road then motorway, well shes running better than she ever has, so the new fuel filter i walked 4 miles to get this morning was worth it, hopeful mileage will improve as 37-40 for £10 fuel is what ive been getting, but then im heavy footed and its an 1.8 16v fuel drinker. but i do love her and peoples faces when they see a Xantia flying along. as lets be honest its an old mans car careful drivers. though i do keep to speed limits as got 6 points for a ton on the motorway a few years ago, but i do get to the limit as fast as i can lol as hate hanging about and i promised her i would use her power till she dies,as 1.8i 16v is a sports engine that likes to rev,so she could have a good send of before the scrap yard, mot due next week think it maybe her last, saving cash soon to buy a new Xantia, after that one who know what i will drive, would like a C5 as i love the hydraulic suspension on the Xantia holds the road so well and corners beautifully. Anyway people thank you so much for your help and advice. your good people taking the time to do so. happy safe driving,
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Bingo! I thought it sounded like MAP sensor symptoms. :) Your "air flow sensor" is actually the MAP sensor which measures manifold absolute pressure.... a critical sensor for proper running of the engine, it needs it to work out how much air is being sucked in and therefore how much fuel to inject... glad you got it sorted.
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addo wrote:Can you ask an exhaust indy if they think the cat's blocked?
Hammer, nail ? :lol:
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you were dead right Mandrake, thanks again. on the cat its only 12 months old, but we now know not that. but nothing wrong with throwing ideas to problems. anyway safe driving, while i run my 1996 N reg into the ground :)
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Mandrake wrote:
addo wrote:Can you ask an exhaust indy if they think the cat's blocked?
Hammer, nail ? :lol:
Wrong idiom? Don't you mean "Sledgehammer, nut?"? ;)
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Nope I had the correct idiom, I was poking a wee bit of fun at addo's obsession with blocked cats. :lol:
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Mandrake wrote:Nope I had the correct idiom, I was poking a wee bit of fun at addo's obsession with blocked cats. :lol:
aha, hadn't noticed :lol:
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lol no problems guys :)
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