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Hello everyone,
I recently bought a 207 sw 1.6 VTi auto from 2007. The car has done only 38000 miles and the previous owner has given me full receipts history of the car maintenance which was done by Robins & Day Paugeot.
Among the receipt I found a note telling that the car gearbox went into safe mode at 25000 miles, but after restarting the car everything worked and nothing else happened.
The Dealer was unable to replicate the problem.
I am now wondering, since I have read many horror stories about AL4 gearbox, if I should change the oil.
I live in nottingham, and do mostly highway.
At what mileage should I change the oil? Is it something I could do in house or need a mechanic?
And in that case, where should I get the oil to make sure he is using the correct one?
Many thanks
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Tried to answer earlier but the site crashed. thankfully i saved the reply :D
Generally with auto box's you cannot get all the oil out as quite a lot stays in the convertor. Across the pond our American cousins have a device (we probably have them here) where you can connect it to the trans cooler pipes and it pumps fresh in with it running and sucks the old out so its all changed.

What I've done with my previous autos (non PSA) was to just drain / refill, do about a mile ensuring it got into top gear then on my return drained it again. I did that twice figuring I'd got the majority of it out by then. Although that was not the "special" oil you require it was a GM autobox that would run on Dextron 3 (don't put that into your 207!) so cost was minimal.

Regarding "only top up" there is a wear sensor in theory it will tell you when it wants changing by flashing the sport / snow lights. Bear in mind "sealed for life" all manufacturers say this now but in my personal opinion this means "sealed for warranty life" as vehicle warranties are short compared to a car's potential lifespan.

I'd suggest changing it then if you can stretch to it change it again even if its a week or so later then that should be enough.

Please wait for another to respond first though as I've not really been near a PSA autobox, well not a modern one anyway.
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Thanks alot
I am just wondering where to find the oil!
Is it really this much expensive?
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CitroJim has a lot of experience with the auto boxes, and has taken several of them apart. His website has a lot of information on them;

http://www.eastment.net/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

His signature states that there is no alternative for LT71141, which is the main gearbox oil used in the Citroen (and, I would assume Peugeot) automatic gearboxes.

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Yes, that's right James, the AL4 uses the same LT71141 ATF and indeed there is no substitute for it..

It's easiest obtained from any Citroen or Peugeot dealer. It comes in 2 litre bottles and if you can hang on until tomorrow I can let you have the part number.

Andy makes a comment about the oil wear counter. This can only be resent using Peugeot Diagnostics. In fact a quick diagnostic read would be an idea as this might indicate why the 'box went into limp mode. Most likely it was a (transient) problem in the gear position switch but wrth checking. There's many on here who have the Citroen Lexia diagnostics and mostly these incorporate Peugeot diagnostics too... If you have a look at the list of people on here offering diagnostics they may be happy to do the necessary...

I would recommend an oil change in any case for a bit of peace of mind...
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thanks everyone. I suppose then I should try to get the correct oil and bring to my mechanic for change...or its better to go to a specialist in auto gearboxes?
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It's by no means a hard job to do yourself but really you do need diagnostics as you need to have the gearbox at a distinct temperature to check the level properly..

Basically, any good mechanic should find it very straightforward but do ensure they have the diagnostics to reset the wear counter and check the level.

So that may mean it'll be best to take it to a Pug or Citroen
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Hello
thanks a lot.
I will change the oil just to feel safe.
I know not all of it will be changed but I could repeat the change in 10k miles or such.
If I find someone that can give a look at the ECU it will be even better!
I really need to have the car reliable since im planning to install LPG and I don't want the gearbox to die on me after spending money!
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CitroJim wrote:Yes, that's right James, the AL4 uses the same LT71141 ATF and indeed there is no substitute for it..

It's easiest obtained from any Citroen or Peugeot dealer. It comes in 2 litre bottles and if you can hang on until tomorrow I can let you have the part number.

Andy makes a comment about the oil wear counter. This can only be resent using Peugeot Diagnostics. In fact a quick diagnostic read would be an idea as this might indicate why the 'box went into limp mode. Most likely it was a (transient) problem in the gear position switch but wrth checking. There's many on here who have the Citroen Lexia diagnostics and mostly these incorporate Peugeot diagnostics too... If you have a look at the list of people on here offering diagnostics they may be happy to do the necessary...

I would recommend an oil change in any case for a bit of peace of mind...
That would be great
I will wait for the part number thanks
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9736.22 is the official part number.

Note that Renault - who use the same box - have a different oil spec.

I am not convinced that a flush does so much as people imagine. It doesn't hurt, but at the same time the oil is so "clingy" that contaminated oil remains as a well-bonded film to everything. In time, this would be washed away (diluted) with cleaner trans fluid to an extent.

If a box is not shifting well, it's my opinion that a full dismantle and ultrasonic clean of the valve block and solenoids is a progressive step. One of the daft things about an AL4, though, is you can't change the oil filter without removing the box and splitting it!
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Thanks for supplying the part number Adam :-D I was too lazy last night to venture out into a cold workshop to look at a bottle of it :oops:
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I dream of cold weather. It's been a week of sweating it out, dancing to the tune of sundry imperious queens and housewives. I've dug, burrowed, chiselled, chopped, brushed, sawed, screwed (oo-err, Malc) and scrubbed all in reasonably intense heat - and of course driven copious miles of inner-city traffic with the AC pumping.
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addo wrote:I dream of cold weather.
I know exactly what you mean Adam :twisted: When we were in Darwin we longed for it and went in search of some. The nearest we could find was in Tasmania!!! heat is not all it's cracked up to be. A little is nice but too much is terrible... At least when it's cold you can dress a bit more warmly or turn up the heating a tad but if it's really hot there's not much you can do really..

I love the proper cold - those bright frosty days where the sky is bright blue, the trees are covered in hoar frost and there's hardly any wind. Yesterday was much like that here. Today it's dawned wet and cool...
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thanks everyone
I will do shortly an oil change (3 liters) and another one in 10k miles (6 months).
the gearbox is working perfectly, I just want it to stay this way!
im very pleased with the engine, i can only do 38 mpg on the motorway/some urban but its quite snappy
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CitroJim wrote:I love the proper cold - those bright frosty days where the sky is bright blue, the trees are covered in hoar frost and there's hardly any wind.
And your ratchet slips, allowing you to skin all four knuckles almost to the bone on the tensioner bracket. :cry:

I don't mind the heat so much when I'm doing things for me - motivation is higher.
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