Flea bay

[merlin22red]

I an earlier post I mentioned that I was waiting for delivery of pp 2000 and lexia software, It eventually arrived on one disc and turned out to be some sort of copy with a keygen for both programs, I don't know if it's an age thing but I don't take kindly to being supplied ripped off copies of software, and let the seller know, and also reported the pirate copies to fleabay,
Now it seems I am the one who is trying to rip off the seller, who has offered me some sort of possible partial refund, since E-Bay contacted him about it.
If it's only the refund that makes him think that, there is a dark place he can stick it, I would much prefer no other poor booger didn't get caught out by him and his ripped off software.
OK rant over

[CitroJim]

As far as I know, all Chixias (Chinese Lexia Clones) come with ripped-off software.

When you buy a Chixia you're strictly not buying the software. That's a little 'freebie' chucked in with the bit you have legitimately bought - the leads and interface pod which are fully legal to buy, sell and own as they are just a collection of electronic bits made to look a bit like another product that does a similar job.

Fact is that for just over a ton you get a complete diagnostics package for Citroens and Peugeots. Providing you use it only to diagnose you and your friend’s cars in the pursuit of pure academic study into vehicle electronic management systems then I feel the use of this software can be justified despite it's technically illegal status.

Either that or pay a year's salary to PSA for the pukka article.

[cachaciero]

I an earlier post I mentioned that I was waiting for delivery of pp 2000 and lexia software, It eventually arrived on one disc and turned out to be some sort of copy with a keygen for both programs, I don't know if it's an age thing but I don't take kindly to being supplied ripped off copies of software, and let the seller know, and also reported the pirate copies to fleabay,
Now it seems I am the one who is trying to rip off the seller, who has offered me some sort of possible partial refund, since E-Bay contacted him about it.
If it's only the refund that makes him think that, there is a dark place he can stick it, I would much prefer no other poor booger didn't get caught out by him and his ripped off software.
OK rant over

Strange I thought everybody knew that the Lexia / PP2000 and indeed a great many other OEM diagnostic packages available on E-Bay were of doubtful provenance, as ripped of copies are the only way they are available unless you are a so-called professional motor trader with a mega buck account (and we are talking thousands here). Basically if you want the software it is pirated or nothing you make the call.

I would say that I think that it is to PSA's credit that they don't seem to want to make an issue out of this as the way the law stands these days they could make it far harder for E-Bay to allow the sale of such software if they wished. Why that is I don't know, maybe they don't own the copyright either, maybe they regard it as a way of servicing a market sector which they can't at an economical price, maybe as a marketing ploy, lets face it if you are all geared up with a Lexia et al to fix your current Citroen much more likely that to maintain your investment in equipment and knowledge your next car is more likley to come from the PSA stable.
I would also commend PSA for making their Service Web site available to the amateur user, yes it cost's but the reality is that for less than the cost of a Haines Manual you can download all that Citroen know about fixing your car, about the only thing that doesn't seem to be available is ECU update packages. Now if they would only extend their on line Diagnostic Service under similar terms..........

cachaciero

[citroenxm]

did you really think you were gonna get genuine stuff for the small price they charge???

[civvie]

E Bay could now stop them selling the Lexia etc with software, that will screw up anyone who wants to buy one in the future.

[citroenxm]

withdrawn.....

[xmexclusive]

As I understand it the software licence for the genuine Lexia is also non transferable.
So buying a genuine one secondhand is little different than buying a clone.
The same situation applies to ex dealer workshop manuals.
The dealers licence agreement requires disposal by destruction and so precludes resale.

John

[addo]

I am positive the dealers here who know of the Fauxia units, are generally happy about them being employed.

It leaves them mostly newer cars to service, and the owners of older models are usually sent to the parts counter by an indie so the stealer gets his margin that way - no labour to warrant, no risk of blowouts on an estimate.

As a "person of last resort" sometimes with recalcitrant Cits and the Lexia, I also can assure readers that were it not for both people like myself and the local club's encouragement, drivers would be walking away from their C5s and Xsaras in droves, and never buying another PSA car.

[merlin22red]

Right as for price and expecting to get original at low prices
as you may or may not know E Bay is an auction site, many of the goods sold there start at 99p so therefore I do not find anything strange about getting items at a lower price,
secondly the product was advertised as having all the serial numbers for set up, which says to me the package was original
thirdly the item was software only, no interface supplied, as being a retired mechanic/garage owner I already had the interface but had lost my original discs.

[CitroJim]

Ahh, so just software then. That does put a bit of a different slant on it. All my comments were made assuming you’d bought a complete Chixia kit.

[Stekelly]

But surely as a retired garage owner who presumably paid a few grand for the licence before ( guessing seeing as you have the hardware) you cant have expected the same thign on ebay for a few quid? Otherwise why would any garages be paying thousands?

[civvie]

But surely as a retired garage owner who presumably paid a few grand for the licence before ( guessing seeing as you have the hardware) you cant have expected the same thign on ebay for a few quid? Otherwise why would any garages be paying thousands?

That's exactly my thought.

[steelcityuk]

I really can't understand how you think you can buy genuine Lexia software on Ebay at a bargain price. You get what you pay for and unless it said genuine it's best to assume it's not.

Steve.

[merlin22red]

But surely as a retired garage owner who presumably paid a few grand for the licence before ( guessing seeing as you have the hardware) you cant have expected the same thign on ebay for a few quid? Otherwise why would any garages be paying thousands?

That's exactly my thought.

well your thoughts are your thoughts, the product was advertised giving the impression it was genuine, maybe I was a little naive in thinking sellers were honest people selling second hand items that were originals, I put a lot of trust in people and feel very disappointed when that trust is thrown in your face. and the Lad from sheffield My garage was in Barnsley,

[civvie]

Merlin,
How much was this software.