Guess the Rack !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post by **KennyW** » 26 Jun 2011, 14:57

Hi All,

I've got 2 steering racks in my garage which I don't know what model of Xantia they came from

Any ideas

Toby_HDi · Post by **Toby_HDi** » 26 Jun 2011, 15:31

How disappointing!

I thought this thread was something entirely different

Post by **CitroJim** » 26 Jun 2011, 16:43

Toby_HDi wrote:How disappointing!

I thought this thread was something entirely different

Kenny, The rack in the top of the first picture (the one with its ram in a bag) is typical of the rack found on an anti-sink Xantia..

The other one I cannot identify... TBH, I don't even think it's a Xantia but could be wrong if it's off a sinker...

Deanxm · Post by **Deanxm** » 26 Jun 2011, 17:28

Damit, i too was lured in under false pretenses

top one does look like an Anti sink Xant/XM rack, the bottom one ive not seen before, could be a really late one i suppose.

D

citronut · Post by **citronut** » 26 Jun 2011, 19:38

the top one could also be BX and the bottom one i dont think is from a hydraulic citroen, or even from a citroen at all,

what other makes models have you had in years gone by,

regards malcolm

Post by **KennyW** » 26 Jun 2011, 21:07

Hi All,

The only citroens I've had are Xantias from 2002.

I was sent these as replacements for my S2 1.9TD.

The reason I ask is my new baby has some/excessive play in the rack which Jim (Citrojim)has suggested could be play in the inner ball joint which is on the end of the track rod.See my other thread re new Xantia.lso has a juddering brake problem but i have realised it also has ABS

I think it is all connected.

Otheriwse she runs lovely.

Kenny

citroenxm · Post by **citroenxm** » 26 Jun 2011, 21:19

The TOP rack (in the first pic) is defo a Xantia one, how you guys tell a sinker to an anti sinker, I dont know, to me they all look the same.

The lower one is DEFO not a Xantia one, as said the PAS ram is not there or absent, and looking closly the Pinion valve is much taller then the Xantia one, and theres more pipes then needs to be.. Also in the lower one, the feed pipe is too short, as Xantia ones pass right across the subframe to the passenger side..

Paul

Post by **KennyW** » 26 Jun 2011, 21:43

Hi All ,

Thanks for that,

Paul, can you possibly photo your rack insitu on both T and X plate HDi because i believe the TD and HDi racks are the same for Mk 2's.

Kenny

Post by **CitroJim** » 26 Jun 2011, 21:53

Kenny, even though it's a bit of a trial it is still easier to replace the inner balljoints with the rack in-situ then it is to swap it for another one.

That's my take on it. I've replaced gaiters and pinion valves all in place and I'd hate to swap a rack complete. The only rack I've had out is when the engine had been removed and that was difficult enough

Have you confirmed it is the inner ball joints then? They're easy to check. Jack up so the wheels are clear of the ground, waggle each wheel and look for movement in the rack gaiter concertinas. If they stay still the inners are OK and it'll be the outers that are into trouble. Again, you'll see the pay visually.

Apart from the inners, there is nothing else in the rack that can cause play.

Trouble with swapping an unknown rack is that you cannot be sure if the ram and pinion valve is 100% good. It would be sickening to go to all that trouble and then find the pinion valve is leaky...

citroenxm · Post by **citroenxm** » 26 Jun 2011, 22:04

Ive got an inner track rod to change end of this week on a HDi 110..

Racks ARE the same, its only the track rods that are different, and they are screwed in at the ends of the rods and as Jim says easy to change...

After the boot is pull back a pair of good mole grips should release the inner joint.... refitting a new one, Id advise a TINY bit of thread lock to ensure it stops in place...

If I have time, Ill do a picture as I go guide ... Id far sooner do a track rod arm then swap a rack now...!

The two sizes, the TD and standard Xantias use an M14x1.5 thread and HDi 110bhp models, and likly V6 and Activas but im not 100% positive use M16x1.5 thread bar...

Paul

Post by **CitroJim** » 26 Jun 2011, 22:11

Kenny,

here's a few pictures of the inner balljoint and how to swap it on the N/S side. The O/S side is much the same but it's a one-piece gaiter..

Note that in these pictures the car has been removed for clarity

Removing the end cap..

Gripping the balljoint body with stout grips...

Balljoint unscrewed...

On 'tother side the gaiter needs to come off completely to expose the joint...

Getting the O/S gaiter back on can be a bit of a fiddle but still muc easier than swapping a rack complete!!!

addo · Post by **addo** » 26 Jun 2011, 22:12

Lower rack is your standard issue integral PAS, not Xantia. You might get somewhere Googling the part number on it.

citroenxm · Post by **citroenxm** » 26 Jun 2011, 22:16

Ok Jim

That saves me dooing it...

Paul

Post by **CitroJim** » 26 Jun 2011, 22:32

citroenxm wrote: That saves me dooing it...

No it hasn't Paul! To have pictures of it done on the car with the rack in-situ would be most valuable

If you can it would be heavily appreciated

citroenxm · Post by **citroenxm** » 26 Jun 2011, 22:37

Oh ok then... go on.. you twisted my arm!!

Paul