Identifying fuel pump makes.
Moderator: RichardW
Identifying fuel pump makes.
I'm going to see a Xsara 1.9D estate tomorrow, obviously with a view to purchase if it's in reasonable condition for its 135,000 miles and £500 asking price on a 'T'.
The BIG purchasing point though is obviously which pump is it running on? Bosch or Lucas, and I haven't got the foggiest how the differences can be identified tbh.
Any clues or what to look for would be much appreciated, as much vegetable oil at reasonable purchase price awaits useage if possible.
The BIG purchasing point though is obviously which pump is it running on? Bosch or Lucas, and I haven't got the foggiest how the differences can be identified tbh.
Any clues or what to look for would be much appreciated, as much vegetable oil at reasonable purchase price awaits useage if possible.
Colin
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1988 AX GT and still running sweet. Genuine 41 k only!!
2005 Skoda Fabia vRS 83k...and truly awesome.
Vauxhall Combo crew cab SE
Citroen Saxo 1.4 Furio.
Their cars:
Hyundai Getz.
Hyundai i20
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The bosch pump is usually physically bigger.
Here are two pics to help:
Lucas (I think this is actually a DW8 one):
Bosch:
The lucas one, the levers are easier to see and operate as they are parallel with the pump top.
Hope that helps. Take a look on Ebay for say "xud lucas pump" or "xud bosch pump" and compare them.
Post here if in doubt which it is you are looking at.
Here are two pics to help:
Lucas (I think this is actually a DW8 one):
Bosch:
The lucas one, the levers are easier to see and operate as they are parallel with the pump top.
Hope that helps. Take a look on Ebay for say "xud lucas pump" or "xud bosch pump" and compare them.
Post here if in doubt which it is you are looking at.
Andy.
91 205D-Turbo, gone but still missed
02 106D, TUD5B, gone but not really missed apart from the MPG
91 205D-Turbo, gone but still missed
02 106D, TUD5B, gone but not really missed apart from the MPG
Bear in mind that the Bosch fuel pump in Andy's post is from a turbocharged engine.
If the car you're looking at is a non turbo then it won't have the bulky hamburger-esque boost compensator on the top of it, but it is essentially the same pump.
Not familiar with Lucas pumps though...
-Alex
If the car you're looking at is a non turbo then it won't have the bulky hamburger-esque boost compensator on the top of it, but it is essentially the same pump.
Not familiar with Lucas pumps though...
-Alex
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I did wonder but I could not find a Bosch pic without its flying saucer attached , and that pic is the back side of it too
The levers are flat on the Lucas as per my pic, the Bosch ones are upright mostly, if that makes sense.
The levers are flat on the Lucas as per my pic, the Bosch ones are upright mostly, if that makes sense.
Andy.
91 205D-Turbo, gone but still missed
02 106D, TUD5B, gone but not really missed apart from the MPG
91 205D-Turbo, gone but still missed
02 106D, TUD5B, gone but not really missed apart from the MPG
Oh dear. Thanks lads, but I fear this is going to be a bit of a nightmare, as I'll probably be looking in the wrong place at the wrong items.
P'raps I should print these pictures off and look like a complete nerd in front of the owner.
It is a non turbo 1.9D btw.
Why can't they just have a big sticker on the top of them ey?
P'raps I should print these pictures off and look like a complete nerd in front of the owner.
It is a non turbo 1.9D btw.
Why can't they just have a big sticker on the top of them ey?
Colin
My cars:
1988 AX GT and still running sweet. Genuine 41 k only!!
2005 Skoda Fabia vRS 83k...and truly awesome.
Vauxhall Combo crew cab SE
Citroen Saxo 1.4 Furio.
Their cars:
Hyundai Getz.
Hyundai i20
Eriba Puck caravan now too!!
My cars:
1988 AX GT and still running sweet. Genuine 41 k only!!
2005 Skoda Fabia vRS 83k...and truly awesome.
Vauxhall Combo crew cab SE
Citroen Saxo 1.4 Furio.
Their cars:
Hyundai Getz.
Hyundai i20
Eriba Puck caravan now too!!
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Injectors are also Different!!
Lucas injectors are all tall and slim...
Bosch slightly stumpy, but taper up to the top...
http://www.selboy.com/images/uploads/Ro ... ectors.jpg
These above are LUCAS injectors
This listing below is for a Bosch Pump and has a close up of injectors...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BOSCH-DIESEL-PUMP ... 2a0ed2e31b
Should also help identify...
Look in the area were a "Spark Plug" would be in a Petrol engine....
Paul
Lucas injectors are all tall and slim...
Bosch slightly stumpy, but taper up to the top...
http://www.selboy.com/images/uploads/Ro ... ectors.jpg
These above are LUCAS injectors
This listing below is for a Bosch Pump and has a close up of injectors...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BOSCH-DIESEL-PUMP ... 2a0ed2e31b
Should also help identify...
Look in the area were a "Spark Plug" would be in a Petrol engine....
Paul
Sharing a pug 207 1.6 hdi Sw 16v.
M reg Xm 2.1 td auto exclusive S2 269k and rising
L reg XM V6 12v SEi auto .. Light project
A very sad...
1994 XM 2.1 d auto
M reg Xm 2.1 td auto exclusive S2 269k and rising
L reg XM V6 12v SEi auto .. Light project
A very sad...
1994 XM 2.1 d auto
What are the chances of it being a Bosch pump anyway, and WHY didn't they just stick to one manufacturer I ask?
Colin
My cars:
1988 AX GT and still running sweet. Genuine 41 k only!!
2005 Skoda Fabia vRS 83k...and truly awesome.
Vauxhall Combo crew cab SE
Citroen Saxo 1.4 Furio.
Their cars:
Hyundai Getz.
Hyundai i20
Eriba Puck caravan now too!!
My cars:
1988 AX GT and still running sweet. Genuine 41 k only!!
2005 Skoda Fabia vRS 83k...and truly awesome.
Vauxhall Combo crew cab SE
Citroen Saxo 1.4 Furio.
Their cars:
Hyundai Getz.
Hyundai i20
Eriba Puck caravan now too!!
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L 94 XM 2.1 TD auto total resto
2008 Peugeot 207 Sw 1.6 16v hdi. 217k and rising
2010 Peugeot 207 SW 1.6 8v HDi 161k and rising - x 71
Slim!
Very Slim.. N.a useually Lucas as it peforms better, turbo useually bosch, stronger and longer lived...
It IS just 50/50...
Always has been through 205, 309, 306, 405 years, and BX, ZX years....
Paul
Very Slim.. N.a useually Lucas as it peforms better, turbo useually bosch, stronger and longer lived...
It IS just 50/50...
Always has been through 205, 309, 306, 405 years, and BX, ZX years....
Paul
Sharing a pug 207 1.6 hdi Sw 16v.
M reg Xm 2.1 td auto exclusive S2 269k and rising
L reg XM V6 12v SEi auto .. Light project
A very sad...
1994 XM 2.1 d auto
M reg Xm 2.1 td auto exclusive S2 269k and rising
L reg XM V6 12v SEi auto .. Light project
A very sad...
1994 XM 2.1 d auto
- spider
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You know, I've just re-read your first post again and you said T reg, so its possible its quite likely to be a DW8 and not an XUD, in which case it will be a Lucas as there's never been a DW8 with a Bosch pump.
The N/A XUD was 'replaced' (sic) with the DW8 around this time.
If in real doubt, take pic (take others so owner does not wonder what you are doing) and post it here and we'll confirm for you for sure.
The N/A XUD was 'replaced' (sic) with the DW8 around this time.
If in real doubt, take pic (take others so owner does not wonder what you are doing) and post it here and we'll confirm for you for sure.
Andy.
91 205D-Turbo, gone but still missed
02 106D, TUD5B, gone but not really missed apart from the MPG
91 205D-Turbo, gone but still missed
02 106D, TUD5B, gone but not really missed apart from the MPG
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L 94 XM 2.1 TD auto total resto
2008 Peugeot 207 Sw 1.6 16v hdi. 217k and rising
2010 Peugeot 207 SW 1.6 8v HDi 161k and rising - x 71
Andy,
That pic that you posted of the Lucas on an engine - the engine in that picture IS an XUD...
You can tell from the position of the Heater Plugs.... The DW8 Heater plugs are in a position the XUD's SHOULD of been in from the start, they are behind the injectors facing downwards and are long reach like the TUD plugs... This makes them VERY accessable for replacement...
The XUD ones are as pictures above. Of course with a Lucas pump, the 4th one is NOT a problem, as the XUD was designed for Lucas Pumps....
Paul
That pic that you posted of the Lucas on an engine - the engine in that picture IS an XUD...
You can tell from the position of the Heater Plugs.... The DW8 Heater plugs are in a position the XUD's SHOULD of been in from the start, they are behind the injectors facing downwards and are long reach like the TUD plugs... This makes them VERY accessable for replacement...
The XUD ones are as pictures above. Of course with a Lucas pump, the 4th one is NOT a problem, as the XUD was designed for Lucas Pumps....
Paul
Sharing a pug 207 1.6 hdi Sw 16v.
M reg Xm 2.1 td auto exclusive S2 269k and rising
L reg XM V6 12v SEi auto .. Light project
A very sad...
1994 XM 2.1 d auto
M reg Xm 2.1 td auto exclusive S2 269k and rising
L reg XM V6 12v SEi auto .. Light project
A very sad...
1994 XM 2.1 d auto